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Originally Posted by trackercowe
Yes and it did have a great script and made money.
I agree that the villain was weak, but that's pretty much the case in all Star Trek movies (except Khan). Also since this was an origin story of course the villain wasn't going to be that great. Just look at the first Iron Man movie, great origin story, and one of the better action movies of the last decade; but the villain isn't memorable in the slightest (even if he was played by Jeff Bridges).
Also to say that people only liked Star Trek because of the "splosions" is terribly misinformed. It's more a case of you not liking the movie since you are a fan of TNG and any changes or re-imagining of the universe was going to be seen negatively on your behalf. It's the same with me and the Indiana Jones series, so it's obviously a common occurrence. Any change usually pisses fanboys like us off.
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I would agree and disagree.
I thought that the two strongest sci-fi villians that I ever saw were in the Star Trek movies.
1) Khan- I've said before, I don't think Khan is an intentional villain. He was created not only to be the perfect being, but to bring order to a chaotic situation. In the end he was exiled by Kirk and given the challenge to rebuild his own society in his image.
Capt. Kirk: [
offering Khan a hostile planet to inhabit] Those men went on to tame a continent, Mr. Khan. Can you tame a world?
Khan Noonien Singh: Have you ever read Milton, Captain?
Capt. Kirk: Yes. I understand.
Then Kirk basically forgot about them, the planet shifted, everything was laid to waste and his wife died, probably the only woman that he ever felt anything for. Khan was Captain Ahab, obsessed with the white whale that was Captain Kirk. If anything Kirk was the true unintentional villain who lost it all due to a caviler and uncaring nature. You could argue that Kirk gained that nature going forward.
2) Admiral Chang - The undiscovered country, was an outright villian, but with tremendous charisma and he bought a joy to his villainy which was a pleasure to watch.
3) I think his name was Kruge in the search for spock, but only because Christopher Lloyd absolutely dominated his part of the movie as a true unapologetic Klingon. He had some great quotes
Kruge: Take every last man, form a boarding party armed heavily.
Torg: They outnumber us...
Kruge: [
shouts] We are Klingons!
Kirk: You should take the Vulcan too.
Kruge: No.
Kirk: But why?
Kruge: Because you wish it.
Plus he died a pretty funny death.
the original series movies were unique because they had two movies without an apparent villian. In the first one V'ger was definitely not a villian and was noble in a lot of ways. the second non villain was the voyage home.
It was a shame that the next generation movies were sooo terrible, there really wasn't a good single movie.
Malcolm McDowell was criminally wasted in Generations, the twin Klingon sisters were just morons.
In First Contact the Borg Queen was ok, but completely underwhelming, especially since her basic quest outside of the assimilation of mankind was to have a three way with Picard and Data.
Insurrection was the worst piece of dreck ever made. Oh wait that was Nemisis a movie that probably had to work hard to be crappier then Insurrection.
what killed Next Generation for me, besides the fact that I didn't like a lot of the episodes, was that the movies went from what made TNG strong which was an interesting ensemble cast with interesting characters to the Data and Picard show with the rest of the cast there for scenery or comedy relief. I remember in insurrection the whole Data, Picard scene had me standing up and putting on my coat so I could leave, followed shortly by Riker talking about his baby soft skin and Worf's zits, oh and I will never forgive the whole Riker flying the Enterprise with a atari flight stick. Then the utterly crappy wedding scene in Nemisis followed by the whole B-4 garbage. I left the theatre thinking that Tom Hardy was one of the worst actors ever, it took a while to learn differently.
The last Star Trek movie was decent, we went back to an ensemble cast, I guess my problem with it was that the story line was a bit clumsy, and the Villain who was basically a photo copy of Khan obsessed with Spock instead of Kirk was really one dimensional. I also though that the Kirk is a jerk stuff was way to overplayed.
Hopefully this next one is a little more cerebral and a little less pew pew pew sun glareish
