Watch videos of trained shooters and you'll see that semi automatic is hardly a limitation on accuracy and round count. And armies do go into battle with pistols, browning hi powers actually in Canada and beretta 92s in the US. They also have shotguns. Point?
Sure the troops HAVE pistols, but they're not using them as their primary weapon, are they? More of a short range one on one situation I would imagine.
My point is assault rifles can kill a lot more people at a much faster rate than a hand gun or semi-automatic rifle. I don't see how that can be argued. If they didn't kill at a higher rate, they wouldn't be used. They're not used for their accuracy.
I personally don't think guns are the issue here. People are changing, society is changing. People in general are much less tolerant of one another. Alot of it has to do with the lack of patience that we have twords each other and simple situations in life. We have become such an instant gratification society.I think that technology is advancing faster than our ability to adapt to the social situations that it inadvertantly changes. No tolerance for commnicating with one another. Next time your at a store, do some people watching, it's almost shocking. I'm not saying that's what made this monster go crazy, but people in general are changing. This is just my opinion.
I personally don't think guns are the issue here. People are changing, society is changing. People in general are much less tolerant of one another. Alot of it has to do with the lack of patience that we have twords each other and simple situations in life. We have become such an instant gratification society.I think that technology is advancing faster than our ability to adapt to the social situations that it inadvertantly changes. No tolerance for commnicating with one another. Next time your at a store, do some people watching, it's almost shocking. I'm not saying that's what made this monster go crazy, but people in general are changing. This is just my opinion.
This "the world is changing" is such BS. It's just like those crackpot 2012 doomsday theories which point to isolated phenomena and infer the world is ending.
I got news for you: the world can be a really ####ty place. This has not changed in thousands of years of civilization, and it aint changing any time soon. Your Wal-Mart observations amount to nothing more than geriatric "kids these days..." whining.
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Depends how you define damage. The shotgun is more powerful without a doubt, but it holds fewer rounds and takes much longer to reload. More guarenteed kills I guess, but not as many people will get shot because I'd say after one reload almost everyone would be out of the theatre.
Well we really don't know how exactly he used his weapons, but the Remington 870 Pump Action shotgun he had holds 8 rounds, IIRC, so that is an awful lot of damage he can do without reloading.
And its pretty easy to reload, especially if the rounds are on a holder on the butt or even in your pocket.
Dark movie theatre, hard to see the targets....except the front row.....there was obviously a reason he had the shotgun.
I'm the liberal but I have been for a long time a gun guy, and of course a responsible one.
The US is a unique issue, and I do not for one second think that massive restrictions to guns is going to solve this issue, the violence you are seeing in these kinds of shootings is a symptom of the problem, what that problem is I don't know.
In Iceland and Canada I know tons of gun owners, and almost zero gun violence in comparison to the states. Its something systemic with the US, maybe its the society, maybe its a complex combination of many things, culture of fame at all costs, horrible health care system that lets down mentally ill people, maybe its the fear culture of the media, maybe its the desperation people feel who struggle and fall to the standards of a country built on wealth and material things... Who knows, maybe all of these are dead wrong..
But what I do know, is that you could tomorrow ban all weapons in the US and these issues would still happen.
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I'm the liberal but I have been for a long time a gun guy, and of course a responsible one.
The US is a unique issue, and I do not for one second think that massive restrictions to guns is going to solve this issue, the violence you are seeing in these kinds of shootings is a symptom of the problem, what that problem is I don't know.
In Iceland and Canada I know tons of gun owners, and almost zero gun violence in comparison to the states. Its something systemic with the US, maybe its the society, maybe its a complex combination of many things, culture of fame at all costs, horrible health care system that lets down mentally ill people, maybe its the fear culture of the media, maybe its the desperation people feel who struggle and fall to the standards of a country built on wealth and material things... Who knows, maybe all of these are dead wrong..
But what I do know, is that you could tomorrow ban all weapons in the US and these issues would still happen.
But it's a heck of a lot harder to kill 12 and wound 71 with a knife.
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I fail to see why any civilian would ever need any of those weapons and why they should be allowed to obtain them by law.
Because in America... Freedom trumps everything. Having whatever means possible to defend yourself against someone who may try to take your life is extremely important.
It's not just about 'the gun' or having a gun. For some, who feel the left is slowly eroding away the true definition of freedom (freedom from regulation, freedom from excessive government control, etc), being allowed to own a gun is more of a symbol than anything else.
Being a right-winger myself, I agree with this, despite being a Canadian who's never owned or fired a gun, I can certainly appreciate how important they are as a symbol to American freedom in the eyes of true patriots (lefties, in my opinion, are anti-patriots).
If you think having those 3 guns is unnecessary, I'm interested to read your rant on what YouTube's FPSRussia (some kid from Georgia who, allegedly, fakes a Russian accent and is almost as popular as Lady Gaga) owns and has access to. Watching through his videos must be shocking to some of the biggest gun fans. With the exception of nukes, that guy has legally got his hands on just about every piece of firepower you can dream up.
To let the government decide, for other people, what is necessary or unnecessary, with respect to guns, because they 'fail to see why civilians would need a particular weapon' would just leave an argument open for the government 'failing to see why civilians needs more than 90hp in their cars' among a million other examples of support of more and more government control over our lives in the name of treating grown adults like children.
7 Billion People on this planet. If you spend your leisure time among them, no amount of government control is going to afford you any guarantees in life. That's reality. We all live in it.
tyranny generally sells it self pretty well, the citizanry are easily persuaded to give up their freedoms in a war on terror or drugs or the like, those few that don't embrace the company line you take out from 5000 feet with a hellfire missile from a predator drone, guns will not defend any one against anything really
Is the issue guns, or is the issue the mental make up of the person who owns one? Obviously people can change, but they need to do a better job making sure the people that can own one are stable people.
Then again there is a massive black market as well, drugs, guns, etc.
Reading about the brother getting the news his sister had been shot is extremely disheartening. I don't even know what to say. The people that survived will never be the same again.
7 Billion People on this planet. If you spend your leisure time among them, no amount of government control is going to afford you any guarantees in life. That's reality. We all live in it.
