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[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's kind of telling that the worst growth is in Arizona.

Actually, the worst growth is in Minnesota.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Actually, the worst growth is in Minnesota.

It's pretty hard to get great growth in an already hockey mad state. The states you listed were southern expansion areas not northern areas.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's pretty hard to get great growth in an already hockey mad state. The states you listed were southern expansion areas not northern areas.

I linked to every state with an NHL team, and stated where MN and MA fell.

You've actually made my point. Your bolded portion is also applicable to the ability to generate additional revenue from expansion, or relocation, into already hockey mad markets.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I linked to every state with an NHL team, and stated where MN and MA fell.

You've actually made my point. Your bolded portion is also applicable to the ability to generate additional revenue from expansion, or relocation, into already hockey mad markets.

Yeah, as long as it works it's a great idea. If it doesn't work you get stats like Arizona's.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, as long as it works it's a great idea. If it doesn't work you get stats like Arizona's.

No risk no reward. Like I said before, as long as someone is willing to put their money on the line to own a team in a market a team will exist there. And really, outside of those people who do those 'stats' matter to?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

No risk no reward. Like I said before, as long as someone is willing to put their money on the line to own a team in a market a team will exist there. And really, outside of those people who do those 'stats' matter to?

Ah, so your stats don't matter.
It's been 4 years and they haven't found a legitimate someone to put their money on the line yet.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Ah, so your stats don't matter.
It's been 4 years and they haven't found a legitimate someone to put their money on the line yet.

Huh? I literally have no idea what you are attempting to argue.

What stats? The growth of youth hockey players? Arizona's stats may be behind other sunbelt locations but their still quite strong. If your goal is to gum up a thread with pointless drivel about Phoenix stick to the one you've already done that to.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Huh? I literally have no idea what you are attempting to argue.

What stats? The growth of youth hockey players? Arizona's stats may be behind other sunbelt locations but their still quite strong. If your goal is to gum up a thread with pointless drivel about Phoenix stick to the one you've already done that to.

You're the one arguing Phoenix is a valid location. I'm rebutting your idiocy.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's kind of telling that the worst growth is in Arizona.

They have a respectable amount of manufacturing facilities I don't know beyond that what industry they have.
Golfing, real estate and retirement money.

[saskflames69]

I think valo is a closeted Coyotes fan.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by valo403

FL:
1990-91: 1,200
2009-10: 10,856
Growth: 804.7%

That one really stands out. Would've have suspected the grassroots has grown that much.

Now Panthers need to start being a respectable franchise.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

My bad

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You're the one arguing Phoenix is a valid location. I'm rebutting your idiocy.

I am? Can you point out where I did that? All you're doing is once again demonstrating that you can't comprehend something that isn't distilled to a 4th grade level.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Joborule

That one really stands out. Would've have suspected the grassroots has grown that much.

Now Panthers need to start being a respectable franchise.

Well Florida does have two teams, in distinct markets, so that could explain the extra large jump there. I'm curious whether the growth is relatively close in both markets, or if the Gulf region has seen the majority of the gains. I suspect it's the latter.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by valo403

FL:
1990-91: 1,200
2009-10: 10,856
Growth: 804.7%

So 20 years ago, it was a fringe sport played by a miniscule fraction of the 13,000,00 people who lived there and now it is a fringe sport played by a tiny fraction of the 20,000,000 who live there.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Plett25

So 20 years ago, it was a fringe sport played by a miniscule fraction of the 13,000,00 people who lived there and now it is a fringe sport played by a tiny fraction of the 20,000,000 who live there.

Sure, but either way you have 10,000+ people playing the sport. If growth were to continue at anywhere near that pace for even a few more years you'd clearly have a strong base, assuming that most of those people would be heavy supporters of the local NHL team.

Btw, growth still has far outpaced population inflation.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Plett25

So 20 years ago, it was a fringe sport played by a miniscule fraction of the 13,000,00 people who lived there and now it is a fringe sport played by a tiny fraction of the 20,000,000 who live there.

I don't think anyone would disagree that support for the Coyotes isn't where everyone wants or hopes it to be, but what we should be trying to measure is future potential and not current situations.

It's an abstract thing to measure, but I do believe the Phoenix market still has a lot of potential, it's just that too many walls have been built and a perfect storm has resulted. Poor arena location and a badly managed team that has had modest success is bad for a newer market, but make no mistake, there is money there to be had. It could also be a crucial market to have for getting national television deals.

I also don't think it's fair to judge support growth (or lack thereof) over the course of this whole fiasco which has been going on for almost 4 years now. It's hard to grow a fanbase when there is a serious question on whether or not the team is going to stay long term. No one wants to support a lame duck and then get their heart broken. The same thing happened in Winnipeg when it became apparent that the Jets were likely going to leave.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I am? Can you point out where I did that? All you're doing is once again demonstrating that you can't comprehend something that isn't distilled to a 4th grade level.

So you are no longer arguing that Phoenix is a valid NHL location. Good to know.

[calumniate]

I know that Valo disapproves of people drunkenly starting anti-Coyotes threads. lol

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So you are no longer arguing that Phoenix is a valid NHL location. Good to know.

I have never argued that Phoenix is a valid NHL location. I have argued that the NHL sees Phoenix as a valid NHL location, or at least has for the past years of ownership, for a number of reason, some of which may still exist but many of which have passed. You inability to actually read, analyze and comprehend may have contributed to the confusion. Personally, I don't care where the majority of NHL franchises are located. I don't visit Phoenix, so a team there is of no relevance to me.

Btw, what does 'valid' even me in this context? The fact that it exists makes it valid by definition.