[Signing] Avs sign Colborne (2 yrs, $2.5 mil AAV)

[Iceman57]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Destiny's made you a bitter, bitter man.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if he wanted to be a Calgary Flame he should have started playing well in October not March

So does that mean Giordano should be cut loose? He was arguably the teams worst non-goaltender player in October. The disdain some fans have for a local boy that's been nothing short of exemplary in the community is pretty disgusting. What did Joe Colborne ever do to some of you to deserve this nonsensical hate?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So does that mean Giordano should be cut loose? He was arguably the teams worst non-goaltender player in October. The disdain some fans have for a local boy that's been nothing short of exemplary in the community is pretty disgusting. What did Joe Colborne ever do to some of you to deserve this nonsensical hate?

Didn't you know, everyone has to be good and consistent all of the time of they are terrible. People have a hard time accepting that 2nd-3rd line players have flaws in their games.

Plus he is a former Leaf. Any for Leaf the Flames acquire gets treated like #### by the fans.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah I pretty much agree with MacKinnon's quote (other than the point thing, which I don't understand).

I can't believe Calgary didn't qualify him and CO got him at a cheap price.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah I pretty much agree with MacKinnon's quote (other than the point thing, which I don't understand).

I can't believe Calgary didn't qualify him and CO got him at a cheap price.

There's a literal 0% chance Calgary would have gotten Colborne for 2.5 mil if we qualified him.

[bubbsy]

ya, thank God the flames didn't qualify him. That has little to do on the flames getting him signed though, and i think i would have been ok with him at that number with the flames to be honest.

Seemed like a good kid, who was figuring out his place in the NHL. By the same token, i can see why the flames thought it better to not sign him, especially if his camp wanted a higher number than what he eventually signed for wiht the avs.

I think he'll do just fine with avs, and be a 15 goal, 35 point winger who can play basically any forward position and move up and down the depth chart when required.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah I pretty much agree with MacKinnon's quote (other than the point thing, which I don't understand).

I can't believe Calgary didn't qualify him and CO got him at a cheap price.

The fact that he got 2.5m x 2 as a UFA tells you all about his value across the league: He is perceived as average to below average.

The fact that Colorado signed him to this deal says a lot too. Their management is bottom 5 in the league.

[Enoch Root]

Are people seriously having trouble with the 'point guy' comment?

Think of it like this: ... for a point <producing> guy...

He was saying Colborne is a guy who puts up points , and he's 6'5"

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Didn't you know, everyone has to be good and consistent all of the time of they are terrible. People have a hard time accepting that 2nd-3rd line players have flaws in their games.

Plus he is a former Leaf. Any for Leaf the Flames acquire gets treated like #### by the fans.

Don't forget the time he got special treatment over the future of the franchise Sven because he needed to clear waivers to be sent down. That also seemed to lock a lot of folks into a one way ticket on the I hate Colborne train.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So does that mean Giordano should be cut loose? He was arguably the teams worst non-goaltender player in October. The disdain some fans have for a local boy that's been nothing short of exemplary in the community is pretty disgusting. What did Joe Colborne ever do to some of you to deserve this nonsensical hate?

lol what, this is the NHL...I have no problem with him as a person or a player but he didn't do jack #### until it was all over.

Gio was the best d-man in the NHL until injured the previous year he has a longer leash for obvious reasons. Joe is a 3rd liner (no shame) that has just recently become and every day NHLer. If he wanted a long term contract in Calgary he needed to play better when it mattered most...its not just me saying it its a fact. He wasn't qualified because much of his production came when the team was out of it. Brad will tell you as much.

[Strange Brew]

The Giordano analogies are interesting. Gio was a late bloomer, playing in Russia at about the same age Colborne scored 19 goals last year.

I don't get how anyone can be so certain that Colborne has reached his full potential and that his finish last year was an aberration.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Giordano analogies are interesting. Gio was a late bloomer, playing in Russia at about the same age Colborne scored 19 goals last year.

I don't get how anyone can be so certain that Colborne has reached his full potential and that his finish last year was an aberration.

Because the vast majority of players don't turn into top 6 F/top 4 D after the age of 24/25 if they aren't one already. Giordano is an extreme outlier when it comes to the normal progression of hockey players.

[Gaskal]

Farmer John's Cheese.




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[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So does that mean Giordano should be cut loose? He was arguably the teams worst non-goaltender player in October. The disdain some fans have for a local boy that's been nothing short of exemplary in the community is pretty disgusting. What did Joe Colborne ever do to some of you to deserve this nonsensical hate?

No one is hating on him because of his actions in the community. All that's been said is he's soft and wasn't worth having a passenger like him on the team. He's been a big letdown for me since day one. Big guy, 20% compete level. Not a type of player you win with on our third and fourth lines. Not good enough to be in the top 6 either. It took a benching by Hartley & company to get him to show up last season. Not tough enough, nor consistent enough as a flame.

But good on him for his work in the community.

[The Fonz]

Had Colborne played with an edge, I'm confident he'd still be here. He is just not that kind of player though, and it's too bad because you can see he's tried to adopt that style. The playoffs last year in particular, you could see him trying to play that way, trying to impose his size on the other team, and the result was just a lot of ill-timed penalties on his behalf.

Joe Colborne is frustrating because he leaves you wanting so much more. He's got the tools... but that type of game does not come naturally to him, and so I don't believe that he can play it effectively.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Don't forget the time he got special treatment over the future of the franchise Sven because he needed to clear waivers to be sent down. That also seemed to lock a lot of folks into a one way ticket on the I hate Colborne train.

To be fair to those people Colborne was pretty bad at that point. I liked his game last season, and obviously thinks with Sven weren't going to work out regardless, but I can see where those people were coming from.

[Vulcan]

The main argument against Colborne seems to be his late season meaningless points surge. Could it be that he was finally finding his groove and it is just an indication of his future? I think either take is reasonable and feel it was short sighted to let an asset walk.

[druetetective]

The Flames will regret letting Colborne walk. Big players take longer to develop and grow into their body.

I can see why they didn't qualify him, but he said he wanted to be in Calgary and that there
was a good chance he will remain a flame-even after he wasn't qualified. This leads me to believe the Flames chose to move on from him regardless of the price tag.

Very poor decision IMO. How do you lose a 6'5 point producing 26 Y.o who is still improving every year for nothing? UGH!

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by druetetective

The Flames will regret letting Colborne walk. Big players take longer to develop and grow into their body.

I can see why they didn't qualify him, but he said he wanted to be in Calgary and that there
was a good chance he will remain a flame-even after he wasn't qualified. This leads me to believe the Flames chose to move on from
him regardless of the price tag.

Very poor decision IMO. How do you lose a 6'5 point producing 26 Y.o who is still improving every year for nothing? UGH!

Point producing?
Improving?

Just because the guy was great in the community, doesn't excuse the fact that he was an inconsistent tweener on the ice. Imo getting rid of him is exactly what the flames should be doing. No more passengers on this team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

Point producing?
Improving?


Go look at his stats from the three years of being here. Had a 16 point decline from 2 seasons ago. He wasn't getting any better, in fact, worse than his first year of being here.

Wut?

In his three years in Calgary (his first three years in the NHL) he had 28, 28 and 44 points.

Year 1 - 0.35 points per game - 14:16 ice time
Year 2 - 0.44 points per game - 15:25 ice time
Year 3 - 0.60 points per game - 15:09 ice time

His production most certainly improved in his time in Calgary.