i agree with you. Tre left this too late but I also think it was a dick move by johnny to not tell tre even if he's on the fence about leaving, i know most gms aren't trading for a player a monnth away from ufa but maybe before the trade deadline johnny could have said"
ya know im thinking i may not want to return, here's a couple teams im maybe interested in if you want to trade me" A team might have traded to get johnny as a rental for a run.
To me johnny saying he wants to wait til season is done to negotiate is a red flag to start working on either a trade or saying we can't wait. Tre didn't handle it the greatest.
Tre said "we're going to move heaven and earth to sign him" do you guys think we moved heaven and earth? i didn't follow it but what was out offer like compared to CBJ?
The position the team was in, even if Johnny would of said he wasn’t re-signing they more then likely would not of traded him anyways as they were also in a position to make a run.
I'm not really mad anymore I don't think, more just disappointed.
They spent a decade building around this guy and they finally got to the point where they look like the real deal with a real coach, and just like that he leaves us......to go to fricken Columbus.
Like I said, I get it if it was Philly, but they dropped the ball. When that happened he should have come back.
It just blows me away how little he and his wife cared about his legacy here, and the decade he'd spent building something here, and his team mates here.
To walk away from all of that to go to Columbus? Really? Because of the border and COVID? Because it's an extra bit of travel time for you to see your families?
Unbelievably disappointing.
Well said. This sums it up better than anything else.
More than the family stuff, and whether Gaudreau exhibited weakness or not when consulting his wife and making the verdict, the disappointing part is truly that after 7 years the Flames had finally assembled a formidable team that could legitimately have a few good runs in them, and as soon as that came into place Gaudreau checks out and destabilizes the whole thing.
Many years of diligent work, decisions and transactions went into getting us where we are and now, barring a couple herculean moves, it's all for naught.
I don't blame people for looking for a place to put their anger or disappointment, as well as the people that are choosing to respect the decision. I think either way, there is justification.
This sudden change warrants a reaction. Just let people react however they need to rather than try to gate keep what's an acceptable reaction. People aren't going to be rational right now. This is the appropriate thread to air that #### out. Just let people do it.
Johnny isn't going to read any of this anyways, and if he did it still doesn't matter.
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He's not going to stay long term in Columbus either lol
I think he will whether he likes it or not. He signed a contact that necessitates high productivity. He was amazing last year and I was on board with the Flames paying up to $11mil.
But through non bias I see him more as a 85-95 point player going forward and when he's in that range it will be tough to get any takers for his contract even though he could really help a team. Just the reality of a cap league, hence the very few teams interested in a 115 point forward available for free.
It's just extremely difficult to fit those contracts in at the best of times let alone when the player isn't quite living up to it.
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The position the team was in, even if Johnny would of said he wasn’t re-signing they more then likely would not of traded him anyways as they were also in a position to make a run.
It depends when he would have said it. If it was part way through the season, then no, of course they wouldn't. JG said before the season even started that he wasn't interested in negotiating until after the season.
From a pure asset management perspective, the best moment to trade him was after being dismantled by Colorado when he would have been more than a rental. I agree it would not have gone over well then, but sometimes hard decisions need to be made.
Just never, ever, go into the last year of a franchise player's contract with no ongoing negotiations. You end up putting yourself in a position where you can't trade them if the team is on a run and the lack of negotiations means you are probably not re-signing the player. Almost every time a UFA player says they don't want to negotiate during the season, it means they likely aren't re-signing.
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Yep, the moment Johnny said he didn't want to negotiate until after the season, Treliving should have told Johnny sorry, that won't work for us and asked him for teams he would be willing to be traded too.
Teams like the Flames just can't afford to take these chances.
Well they would not have had to ask him about teams. His NTC didn’t kick in then. But they would have got a crap return, and fans would have revolted, because Gaudreau would be saying “I never asked to be traded and I said I’d negotiate later”.
Do you think all the Treliving haters would just say “Obviously he had no choice”.
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I don’t want to get into too much speculation about family influence or who thought what. But I can’t help but wonder about Guy’s views on how things went, especially with the comment that he wasn’t in the room while some of the final tough decision were being made.
It just seems that he likely would’ve been the only one that had far more understanding and appreciation of the hockey side of things; the gift of being an elite player, the idea of having a legacy and of being one of a franchises all time greats, and even the value of a competitive team and chemistry.
Who knows, maybe I’m way off base, but I wonder if his views were different than some of the other views that Johnny was listening to.
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I'm not really mad anymore I don't think, more just disappointed.
They spent a decade building around this guy and they finally got to the point where they look like the real deal with a real coach, and just like that he leaves us......to go to fricken Columbus.
Like I said, I get it if it was Philly, but they dropped the ball. When that happened he should have come back.
It just blows me away how little he and his wife cared about his legacy here, and the decade he'd spent building something here, and his team mates here.
To walk away from all of that to go to Columbus? Really? Because of the border and COVID? Because it's an extra bit of travel time for you to see your families?
Unbelievably disappointing.
I agree with your post, and I do wonder if he would have come back to Calgary if that was an option. It seems like that bridge was burnt once he said he wanted to test free agency. But if he knew Columbus was going to be his best option, I do wonder if he would have chosen Calgary over Columbus if that was still an option. It seems like that wasn't an option either because the Flames or Murray Edwards were so angry they told him to beat it, or he just couldn't go back with his tail between his legs at that point.
Gretzky and Messier don't live in Edmonton but are still Oilers legends. And yes Gretzky went to LA with his wife.
Gaudreau won't be invited to a single thing
It's a PITA for him to travel here so it's probably not a big deal...
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Exactly. Lots of legacy players don't live where they have their legacy after they've retired, but they still have it.
What is 'it'?
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Lots of European players have NHL legacies and I would imagine most of them are very proud of their achievements regardless of where they settle down after hockey.
Is Johnny ineligible for an NHL legacy? Can he not be proud of just being a good hockey player?
What if this group has already hit its high watermark? What would his legacy be if he stayed and the team plateaus or declines?
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Much of this reflects the actions of a 21 year old. Johnny is very immature for 29.
I actually like the guy, even today. But his actions were immature.
Obviously the stringing along stuff. Being dodgy, and not taking the deadlines seriously. Even if he wasn't fond of ownership, Brad has worked alongside him his entire career and deserves better. Johnny should know how much this means for the GM's career.
As for the giving up your preference/s. I remember the old days of going along with whatever my girlfriends at the time wanted, changing my schedule around and sacrificing time I normally had for hobbies and passions that were what made me who I am just to make her happy. Spoiler alert - it doesn't. She actually wants you to stand up to her when it comes to your values. Denial of certain things is necessary for a healthy partnership because it shows you will stay true to yourself and not surrender that. That's the person she fell for in the first place, not the guy who will bend to her wishes.
There is no quicker way to her losing respect for you. Even if she stays with you long term, she'll see you as a pushover and treat you that way because she knows you don't have boundaries and you won't put your interests first.
Those are things that you do when you don't have much self respect or dignity. Those are important things to cultivate.
Would I give up 16 million for a woman? Well.. she would have to be one hell of a woman. If it was absolutely necessary for her well being in order to raise the child, I would, with some kind of compromise so that I didn't lose out on the things that matter most to me. If it was just a matter of preference for her? No way. This is the biggest decision of your life. You have to draw a line somewhere. If you won't draw it here, it shows you have no boundaries.
Obviously this is different because he has so much money that virtually most problems can be solved. So maybe the same rules don't all apply as they would for regular folk.
In this case, Johnny will make out better than he would if he was a regular Joe looking at a huge career opportunity.
We don't have enough inside information anyways so I'll rescind my judgment on the character front which was hasty and just say that his handling of the negotiations was immature and leave it at that until other facts come to light.
I do wish Johnny well in the end. I'm just glad we only have to see him once on dome ice per year. At least he did us that kindness.
Man this thread has been hard on my mental health , been with the Flames since they moved to CGY and this burns more than any other.
The waste of Fn' time that management could have been spending on other things , preparing offers for the other Rfas , making offers to Ufas
We all knew it was a likelihood John would leave as a Ufa ,and we were "ok" with it almost accepting
but his behavior up until the "midnight hour" said he might stay ,if the cards didn't line up properly outside of CGY.
To burn Tree (and it appears Gross) like he did is baffling , All of CGY and fans around the country would be wishing him nothing but the best in his new city and cheered him from afar.
but now...nope . I wish him and his family the best (Poppa G was awesome)
no show of appreciation from him (what 3 days later?) will appease my disliking for him and his behavior in a situation which in no way should have taken place .
there were sooo many ways to have this turn out "Acceptable" and he took the least likely and most idiotic way of doing it
...I need to stay outta this thread for a while. Seeya John
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