Alberta Politics Thread v2

[Fuzz]

This promise hasn't really aged well, has it?


Also, LOL

The conservative movement in Alberta fractured in recent years, said Kenney, "partly because of an arrogant, top-down style of leadership."


"We had leaders telling people what to think, rather than listening to them in humility," he said.


"We must not repeat the mistake of that arrogance, we must have an approach of humility and servant leadership that empowers the grassroots members to decide the policy direction of this new party."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ntee-1.4231083

[Travis Munroe]

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move?
- Do you believe that the carbon tax is doing anything on the world stage?
- Do you believe that hiring anti oil minds to support our O&G sector is a wise move?
- Do you think Notley reacted quick enough to the trans mtn thing (she didn't really speak out until Kenney did)?
- Do you believe the temporary wine ban was a solid victory for AB?
- Do you believe it is fair for the NDP to campaign with 1+m of tax payers money?
- Do you believe making it more difficult to do business in AB had anything to do with any companies leaving?

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

[troutman]

"insane spending" is a very slanted way to start your questioning.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

Your list is great. I’d love to see the UCP list but don’t limit it to NDP supporters. I’m non-partisan as are others and we would have ideas, such as: how can you justify supporting a leader who is so shady and maybe bordering on criminal?

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

Do you want them posed as leading or loaded questions?

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move? I fear you have made an assumption requiring some example here.
- Do you believe that the carbon tax is doing anything on the world stage? Was it meant to?
- Do you believe that hiring anti oil minds to support our O&G sector is a wise move? Why don't you explain what you mean?
- Do you think Notley reacted quick enough to the trans mtn thing (she didn't really speak out until Kenney did)? Why don't you give your version of the timeline?
- Do you believe the temporary wine ban was a solid victory for AB? Do you think it could've been a victory at all?
- Do you believe it is fair for the NDP to campaign with 1+m of tax payers money? What do you think about our campaign finance laws?
- Do you believe making it more difficult to do business in AB had anything to do with any companies leaving? Talk about a loaded question!

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

lol... these are so bad.

I would just ask questions of you concerning your questions...

[RedHot25]

Former UCP candidate Happy Mann calls for a judicial inquiry and says Kenney was present when things were planned: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...aign-1.5061407

Wayne Anderson, a UCP MLA who lost his nomination has tweeted:

https://twitter.com/Wayne4Highwood/s...198536704?s=19

Somehow lately I’m reminded of a famous quote during Watergate, “What did he know and when did he know it”

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[Ducay]

I'm most shocked by the fact the NDP didn't call the election asap as soon as this came out. Get the media and citizens into election mode and hype up this into a reason to reject UCP.

That said, I'm glad they haven't. Notley and the NDP are a burning tire fire of a political party, so anything that gives time for the UCP to react is great.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Rando

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Do you believe electing a corrupt, mendacious, homophobic, misogynist, religious fundamentalist is a wise move?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move?
- Do you believe that the carbon tax is doing anything on the world stage?
- Do you believe that hiring anti oil minds to support our O&G sector is a wise move?
- Do you think Notley reacted quick enough to the trans mtn thing (she didn't really speak out until Kenney did)?
- Do you believe the temporary wine ban was a solid victory for AB?
- Do you believe it is fair for the NDP to campaign with 1+m of tax payers money?
- Do you believe making it more difficult to do business in AB had anything to do with any companies leaving?

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

Originally Posted by troutman

Do you believe electing a corrupt, mendacious, homophobic, misogynist, religious fundamentalist is a wise move?

pssst Troutman nailed it.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do you believe electing a corrupt, mendacious, homophobic, misogynist, religious fundamentalist is a wise move?

*virgin

[Travis Munroe]

My stance and where my vote lies is no secret to anyone who follows this thread. I posted exactly how I see it from my side of the fence and wanted to genuinely see how the other side of the fence would question a UCP supporter. I figured someone would post their own view, which would also be naturally slanted towards their own party of choice.

Anyway, carry on discussing the political news story of the week...wrong thread to post my political take and try to understand the other side.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move? Be specific
- Do you believe that the carbon tax is doing anything on the world stage? Who cares, it's Federal policy. This is a huge red herring that is outside Alberta's control (mostly).
- Do you believe that hiring anti oil minds to support our O&G sector is a wise move? I care more about what they implement and do compared to what you believe their stance is. However, ideally it would have been nice for people without anti-pipeline backgrounds
- Do you think Notley reacted quick enough to the trans mtn thing (she didn't really speak out until Kenney did)? Again, Federal there's nothing the NDP could have done differently, nothing.
- Do you believe the temporary wine ban was a solid victory for AB? Peanuts, just a little way of showing dissatisfaction with BC
- Do you believe it is fair for the NDP to campaign with 1+m of tax payers money?
- Do you believe making it more difficult to do business in AB had anything to do with any companies leaving?Yes, but probably overstated because the biggest reason is the oil price

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

I'm mostly an NDP voter because I won't support the UCP.

I think there's only one real question you need to ask UCP supporters at this point. Are you willing to overlook the blatant corruption and lies of the UCP leadership? The leader just got caught setting up backdoor meetings with a kamikaze candidate and has been clearly untruthful about the whole thing. Without looking at the money trail for now that should be enough not to vote him in. It's really one step away from M(Alberta)GA supporters at this point. People who will blindly avoid the lies and corruption because of a "us vs them" mentality.

[burn_this_city]

Our very own stupid Watergate, how unfortunate...

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm mostly an NDP voter because I won't support the UCP.

I think there's only one real question you need to ask UCP supporters at this point. Are you willing to overlook the blatant corruption and lies of the UCP leadership? The leader just got caught setting up backdoor meetings with a kamikaze candidate and has been clearly untruthful about the whole thing. Without looking at the money trail for now that should be enough not to vote him in. It's really one step away from M(Alberta)GA supporters at this point. People who will blindly avoid the lies and corruption because of a "us vs them" mentality.

I have major concerns with what is happening right now and am not sure what the fix is ... wait and see the outcome, be reactive and make a move now, etc.

Can I vote NDP? If they ran the government through all 4 years as they did in the last 6-9 months then there would be a slight possibility based on what we are seeing from the UCP. The fact the NDP had to wait until an election was brewing to get off their hands (my opinion), I just won't vote that direction.

Can I vote UCP? I hate what is going on right now and don't take it light but also believe it is being blown up as if the investigation is over and all fingers point towards Kenney.

Can I vote elsewhere? I feel voting for any other party is essentially 3/4 of a NDP vote so I can't.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I have major concerns with what is happening right now and am not sure what the fix is ... wait and see the outcome, be reactive and make a move now, etc.

Can I vote NDP? If they ran the government through all 4 years as they did in the last 6-9 months then there would be a slight possibility based on what we are seeing from the UCP. The fact the NDP had to wait until an election was brewing to get off their hands (my opinion), I just won't vote that direction.

Can I vote UCP? I hate what is going on right now and don't take it light but also believe it is being blown up as if the investigation is over and all fingers point towards Kenney.

Can I vote elsewhere? I feel voting for any other party is essentially 3/4 of a NDP vote so I can't.

Go contact your UCP MLA and tell them to boot the deplorable moron out as leader ASAP!

[DiracSpike]

I'll be voting for whomever I feel has the best chance at moving oil out of this Province, with bonuses towards punching back at our main aggressors right now. Unless something concretely criminal comes out of this it looks like dirty politics at the moment, I wish Kenney/his team didn't pull this stunt but it's not enough to disqualify him for my vote. To me the people who should be most upset at this should be the Brian Jean faction within the UCP because they were the ones who were actually potentially cheated out of the candidate they wanted. It's pretty humorous to see people who were never going to vote UCP act shocked and appalled at Jean getting shenanigan-ed when they would have attacked him with same baseless bigot/homophobe/fill-in-the-blank terms as they are Kenney.

I do recognize that this has removed him from consideration for people who were actually thinking about voting UCP which I can respect if stuff like this automatically loses your vote. I'm much less interested in this and much more interested in what Kenney's stance is on the rail car deal now that line 3 is delayed. If he still wants to rip up the contract the second he gets in I'll have to either read a convincing analysis that the private sector will take up those rail shipments to get oil out of the Province or look elsewhere for my vote I guess. #1 priority is getting oil the #### out of here to the markets that need it, it's such an existential threat to Alberta that I'm basically a one issue voter.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I know there are a handful of NDP supporters on this board... let me ask
- Do you believe the insane spending is a wise move?
- Do you believe that the carbon tax is doing anything on the world stage?
- Do you believe that hiring anti oil minds to support our O&G sector is a wise move?
- Do you think Notley reacted quick enough to the trans mtn thing (she didn't really speak out until Kenney did)?
- Do you believe the temporary wine ban was a solid victory for AB?
- Do you believe it is fair for the NDP to campaign with 1+m of tax payers money?
- Do you believe making it more difficult to do business in AB had anything to do with any companies leaving?

And on the flip side, how would a NDP supporter express 5-10 questions towards a UCP supporter questioning their decision to vote for the UCP?

1) Insane spending is a subjective statement. You shouldn’t really have that in the question as you are biasing the answer. But her Green Money spending is dumb. Her holding the line on Unions is good. Her dogmatic belief in government run healthcare is bad

2) No, but it’s not worth changing at a minimum until the court rules whether the federal version is constitutional and if it is removed the revenue needs to be replaced with a Sales Tax.

3) Should am energy regulator be filled entirely with pro industry people or should it have a defending voice? The AER regulates the energy sector so it’s important that group think isn’t occuring. I’d prefer more academic environmentalists than activist environmentalists but I do believe decanting voices are important.

4) I don’t see a path that changes the current state of the trans mountain pipeline. I’d need to see media dates to back your assertion that Kenny spoke out first and that speaking out at that time was appropriate

5) Temporary Wine ban had no affect

6) 1 million plus requires source. In general the election should have been called already
7) No, NDP policy does not have anything to do with energy companies like Devon wanting out. It’s purely driven by federal policy.

I think you are baking in your opinion to your questions rather than a dispassionate evaluation of NDP performance. It reads like Notley’s Kenny smearing websites

I think the biggest question for someone considering voting PC is do you believe that a UCP government can materially change the investment environment in Alberta? If the answer to that is yes I’d love to know how that happens because I don’t see it.

The second question and now I going to assume the answer from the first is if the next 4 years economically will be similar who do you want to task with living within our means? So I have the following list of questions

Do you believe Kenny will cut taxes?
Do you believe taxes should be cut?
Do you believe Kenny will cut spending
How much spending can he cut before services are affected
How much service cuts are you comfortable with?
Do you trust Kenny?
Do you think Kenny will do what’s best for Alberta or what’s best for his donors or what is best to keep him in power or follow his ideaology
Do you think Kenny when faced with data that conflicts with his ideaology will choose to follow the data? (Essentially Notley and the Royalty review or Harper on Income Trusts)

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Can I vote UCP? I hate what is going on right now and don't take it light but also believe it is being blown up as if the investigation is over and all fingers point towards Kenney.

The investigation isn't over, but all fingers do point towards Kenney.

Mann, Davies, Fildebrandt have said he was involved in getting a kamikaze candidate. We literally have emails of Kenney's campaign giving Callaway prepared speeches and timelines. Callaway's own campaign manager, Adams, was caught on tape saying that Callaway's campaign was a kamikaze run to help Kenney while the leadership race was still happening. Kenney continuing to lie pretty much shows his lack of respect for his voters, he thinks they are idiots. He's probably right.

The anonymous complaint, Pab Gill, Mann's donation to Callaway after he was greeted into Kenney's inner circle. Those are more concerning as it points to money, but there's still some separation with Kenney for that...for now.