The New American Politics thread

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Would Bloomberg pull more Democratic voters, or Republicans? I assume GOP?

Noooo, no GOP at all. IIRC he is one of the leading spenders in trying to pass gun control legislation in the US. Spent tonnes of cash in CO during a magazine limit argument here a couple years ago.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Would Bloomberg pull more Democratic voters, or Republicans? I assume GOP?

New York Liberal.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

New York Liberal.

He is a classic Rockefeller Republican. My kind of guy.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think what might make Bloomberg appealing is to destroy the monopoly Trump has on the 'angry' American element of voters that are just upset with the system in general. If Bloomberg runs as an independent and mimics Trump's persona of screw the system- but do it in a less ridiculous / crazy way, he can try and wedge out Trump's attempt to move to the center after the GOP field has been won by taking some of those voters early.

Yet it will be interesting to see if running as an independent can drum up enough support to win a presidency, personally, I'm not sure.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Who does Bloomberg appeal to in Middle America? How does he connect with Ohio voters? I doubt he does even slightly. He should have ran as a either a Democrat or Republican much earlier in the process if he wanted to run. I get that the race is still pretty open, but he just has no chance to win much outside New York, assuming they even like him there.

[Mr.Coffee]

Well I think in answer to that we need to know a lot more about his policy or what he stands for. He hasn't even said he is similar to Trump in a #### the establishment approach. So it's one thing to have a name or enter a race, but you need to actually have some substance to compare to.

Trump doesn't have much substance but does have that anti-establishment bend. That seems to appeal to a ton of people based on polls because I can't actually decipher any of his actual program other than racist rhetoric and vague references to building a wall. So I'm just saying if Bloomberg takes a similar approach of anti-establishment, perhaps he can be a more 'normal' Trump alternative for those voters who want a system change, but think Trump is crazy.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well I think in answer to that we need to know a lot more about his policy or what he stands for. He hasn't even said he is similar to Trump in a #### the establishment approach. So it's one thing to have a name or enter a race, but you need to actually have some substance to compare to.

Trump doesn't have much substance but does have that anti-establishment bend. That seems to appeal to a ton of people based on polls because I can't actually decipher any of his actual program other than racist rhetoric and vague references to building a wall. So I'm just saying if Bloomberg takes a similar approach of anti-establishment, perhaps he can be a more 'normal' Trump alternative for those voters who want a system change, but think Trump is crazy.

And they say russian voting is corrupt. It's corrupt in north america as well just in a different way. Not pointing a finger at you Mr. Coffee. Your post just reminded me of it. I realise it's part of the game and happens all the time.

[Vulcan]

The thing with Trump supporters is they say he can't be bought because he's already a billionaire, but what they are really getting is just removing the middleman.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

He is a classic Rockefeller Republican. My kind of guy.

With the GOP consumed by social issues, The New York Liberal is the new Rockefeller Republican.

Economically I don't think there's a huge difference between either party (Outliers: Sanders/Trump), but because gun ownership, citizenship for illegals and being pro-abortion are trump card issues, a moderate conservative like Michael Bloomberg is a leftist in contemporary American politics. Acknowledging global warming as existing is just another notch against him.

I could vote for Bloomberg too but I don't think he gets elected outside of the North East unless he runs for president as a democrat, though he's probably too Jewish for the American voter.

[SportsJunky]

Bloomberg banned large sodas in New York like Big Gulps and the rest. He was hated.

[nfotiu]

I could see Bloomberg having a legitimate shot if Trump wins the nomination (I still don't really see Trump winning the nomination though).

I figure about 20% of Americans actually want to vote for Trump, and probably about 30-35% want to vote for Hillary. So that leaves somewhere around 50% who would rather not vote for either, some of those would be anyone but Trump, some would be anyone but Hillary, but I would guess the majority would be anyone but Hilary or Trump.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Trump has topped the 40% mark for the first time in CNN/ORC polling, standing at 41%. That more than doubles the support of his nearest competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who notches 19% support in the poll. No other candidate hit double-digits. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio landed at 8%, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 6%, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 5%, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 4%, and the rest at 3% or less.

Trump's case for the presidency rests at least in part on his standing as a political outsider. The poll finds that a broad swath of GOP voters (55%) say they feel completely unrepresented by the government in Washington, and among those voters, Trump holds a 47% to 19% lead over Cruz.

The poll also finds Trump is widely seen as the candidate best able to win in November: 63% of Republicans say so, compared with 16% who see Cruz as best positioned to win and 10% who name Rubio.

But in hypothetical general election, Trump appears to fare slightly worse than either Cruz or Rubio when matched up against either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. All six match-ups are close, with no one candidate leading another outside the margin of error of 3.5 percentage points for registered voters. But Rubio and Cruz each hit 50% support when matched against Clinton, while Trump stalls at 47%.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politi...ing/index.html

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Umm....wow.

Maine Gov. Paul LePage says his state is too easy on drug crimes, suggesting it should bring back the guillotine for serious offenders.

The Republican governor, known for his controversial statements, was speaking on local radio Tuesday about combating the drug epidemic in his state.

"What I think we ought to do is bring the guillotine back," he told WMOV. "We could have public executions and have, you know, we could even have (guessing) which hole it falls in."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politi...ine/index.html

[Coach]

MAINE JUSTICE!!!

[HotHotHeat]

Honestly this isn't a joke anymore. America's loss of standing in the world is on full display with this Trump Presidency run. Get your **** together, America.

I should mention, this is a reaction to Trump pulling out of the debate.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Umm....wow.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politi...ine/index.html

Wrote 3 different things, with different themes, and insights. But could finish any of the thoughts.

All I can think is: Da fuq?

[afc wimbledon]

Of course we've been here before.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course we've been here before.

Good old Barry. He'd probably be called a liberal these days.

[nik-]

Trump v Fox 2: Hairlapalooza

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dc6_story.html

Out on the debate.

The Republican debates have become must-see television, in part because of the allure of Trump’s star power and unpredictable candidacy. But he said Tuesday that he thinks Fox and other television networks have been taking advantage of him by selling advertisements for their debates at a high premium.

“Why should the networks continue to get rich on the debates?” Trump told reporters at a news conference in Marshalltown. “Why do I have to make Fox rich?”

An unfortunately true sad comment on the state of informing the body politic.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

For a guy who throws insults around daily and tries to look like a bully whenever he can Trump is sure coming out of this looking like a real whiner.

He'll probably end up going, but if not I'm actually looking forward to it.