I suppose I should complain about the gift FG the refs gave St Louis at the end of the first half but I guess I won't. Wait...I think I just did.
Nice comeback until Kyle Orton forgot where he was on the last possession.
The Broncos just lost to the worst road team in the NFL with what is alledgedly the biggest home field advantage in the NFL.
What does that say?
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Atrocious play by Hasselbeck gives that one to the Chiefs. Granted the best run offense vs one of the worst run defenses played out (Seattle needs a dominant run stopping lb, Tutupuu is too small, same can be said of Curry, and Hawthorn is really a backup on most other NFL teams) but Hasselebeck blew it. After 60 passing yards in first half, has a good drive and connects on two passes in short order to have Seattle down by 4 early in 3rd.
However then he goes three straight drives with turnovers, almost. First was a int that the db was bobbling as he fell to ground. Next drive, he fumbles. Next drive, another pathetic throw for an INT. From 21-17 to 35-17 just like that. It's as if he assumed the next drives are as easy as the first. For a 13 year veteran inexcusable.
Time to put him out to pasture, he's washed up and well past his prime. He can still fling the ball but accuracy and decision making, never a strong suit even on good teams and in his prime, is killing this team.
With Rams winning, Sea has work cut out for it. Hope for an ARI win tomorrow as Sea has tie breaker, and will all but punt out SF. May well come down to last game avaunt ST.L.
I know the Eagles were missing Samuel, but Sean McDermott needs to answer for his defense today. He was completely outclassed by Mike Martz. That Bears defense is good, but play that game on something that actually resembles an NFL field and I'm guessing the game would've been closer.
He is also a few yards from having the most receiving yards for the Browns and does have the most receptions.
He has also scored 13 of their 21 offensive touchdowns.
Nice trade Josh.
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Great win by the Dolphins as they continue there amazing run on the road at 5-1. The problem is they are not getting any help. Just when you thought the Steelers would have lost and fall to 7-4. They get a gift of a drop and then they win.
Meanwhile Quinn hasn't had a sniff of football all year.
Thanksfully.
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Atrocious play by Hasselbeck gives that one to the Chiefs. Granted the best run offense vs one of the worst run defenses played out (Seattle needs a dominant run stopping lb, Tutupuu is too small, same can be said of Curry, and Hawthorn is really a backup on most other NFL teams) but Hasselebeck blew it. After 60 passing yards in first half, has a good drive and connects on two passes in short order to have Seattle down by 4 early in 3rd.
However then he goes three straight drives with turnovers, almost. First was a int that the db was bobbling as he fell to ground. Next drive, he fumbles. Next drive, another pathetic throw for an INT. From 21-17 to 35-17 just like that. It's as if he assumed the next drives are as easy as the first. For a 13 year veteran inexcusable.
Totally disagree.
I was at the game and I don't think you can hang that on Hasselback at all.
His receivers dropped 2 or 3 sure catches, and he has what is perhaps the most useless running game in the NFL (KC had more first downs than the Seahawks had rushing yards). Not to mention his head coach hung his offence out to dry by not challenging what looked like a catch for about a 35 yard gain when the score was 28-17 early in the 4th.
I could tell that the offence was looking at that moron Carroll saying throw the flag, and with about 3 seconds left on the play clock were rushed to snap the ball and proceeded to give it away. The play was close enough that Carrol should have thrown the flag because they should have called a time out there anyway. I think he also had a chance to challenge Dwayne Bowes first TD. Petey boy, it ain't college and you don't get to pay these kids you recruit to the glorious environment that is LA's top football team.
But I think the fact that the Chiefs had to have the ball for about 23 minutes in the first half outgaining the Seahawks about 260 to 27 with about a minute left in the first half left that defence too beat up to finish the game.
Still despite that the 12th man hund in there until the 4th quarter even though the Chiefs lead the entire way.
I must say that the Chief offence looked pretty solid today. If they hadn't brought the Chargers special teams to the game this one really could have been a lot uglier for the Seahawks. I'm still impressed how Dwayne Bowe is the only WR threat that KC has, yet he still gets 170 yards and 3 TD's. I guess having a running game can open up the one receiving threat a team has. Gotta give props to Matt Cassel too, 22 TD's against 4 interceptions. Not bad for a noodle armed QB who has no business being in a starter in the league according to the Raider fans who post on this site. Chiefs should be 9-2. Actually 7-4 is right...they won a couple they could have lost too.
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He is also a few yards from having the most receiving yards for the Browns and does have the most receptions.
He has also scored 13 of their 21 offensive touchdowns.
Nice trade Josh.
Realistically the Broncos are 5-16 in their last 21 games and had a home game giving up 59 to the Raiders. I'll be surprised if McDaniels is the coach for the next Bronco's season. If the CBA isn't resolved, than Bowlen may hold on to him to keep the seat warm, but when they play meaningful games again, I don't think he'll be on the sidelines.
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I was at the game and I don't think you can hang that on Hasselback at all.
As I said, 21-17 and he throws the INT that Carrol did challenge, and got over turned. Right after the Chiefs went up 28-17, Hasslebeck fumbles it, 3 plays later its 35-17. Next possesion, he throws an INT. Game over.
I agree about the KC running, it wore down Seattle's poor defense all day, and ran out the game when the result wasn't in question.
But as I say week in and week out, this team, especially a younger team, needs a leader to rally them. When the supposed leader is making lazy decisions and unable to bring the team back from behind/putting the final nail in the coffin by coughing it up (it has to be years since his last comeback win), it seems like a ship just floating out there without a captain.
Point is, just looking at today, if Hasslebeck makes some plays when they were within 4 or 11, like a veteran QB should be making once in a while, that game could come down to the wire. In todays case, his brutal mistakes on back to back possesions removed any doubt for the rest of the team that it had a hope.
As I said, 21-17 and he throws the INT that Carrol did challenge, and got over turned. Right after the Chiefs went up 28-17, Hasslebeck fumbles it, 3 plays later its 35-17. Next possesion, he throws an INT. Game over.
I agree about the KC running, it wore down Seattle's poor defense all day, and ran out the game when the result wasn't in question.
But as I say week in and week out, this team, especially a younger team, needs a leader to rally them. When the supposed leader is making lazy decisions and unable to bring the team back from behind/putting the final nail in the coffin by coughing it up (it has to be years since his last comeback win), it seems like a ship just floating out there without a captain.
Point is, just looking at today, if Hasslebeck makes some plays when they were within 4 or 11, like a veteran QB should be making once in a while, that game could come down to the wire. In todays case, his brutal mistakes on back to back possesions removed any doubt for the rest of the team that it had a hope.
Look at the Colts tonight, doesn't matter who your QB is when your running game is that brutal. Chiefs could drop 8 guys into coverage all game knowing Hasselback had no other options. Didn't help that his best WR Williams was out either. The Seahawks were lucky that the Chiefs special teams let them be within 11 points at half time because that game should have been 2403 or worse. Actually a couple of dumb penalties combined with first half Chargers special teams were the reason it probably wasn't 35-0 at the half. If it's Charlie Whitehurst playing the Chiefs likely hold a 42-7 lead half way thought the third quarter. There are a lot of other things you can lay the blame on before you say it's entirely on Matt Hasselback in my opinion.
Although I would say that if the NFC West wasn't so bad where the Seahawks had a chance to win that it would be time to move on. Carrol has pretty much changed over that entire team and Hasselback at his age is just keeping the seat warm for the next game. What would you rather do, go 3-13 and get your high draft pick or go 7-9 and win your Division and make your owner a couple extra million with a playoff game.
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Finegan will and should get a bigger punnishment. He started the fight, he has a history, and the clapping and smiling after the fight can't help either.
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Although I would say that if the NFC West wasn't so bad where the Seahawks had a chance to win that it would be time to move on. Carrol has pretty much changed over that entire team and Hasselback at his age is just keeping the seat warm for the next game. What would you rather do, go 3-13 and get your high draft pick or go 7-9 and win your Division and make your owner a couple extra million with a playoff game.
Yeah, although they've had 3 top 13 draft picks the last 2 drafts. They were a pick away from having a shot at Sanchez two drafts ago.
Don't think they'll be in a lottery positon for Locker this year (is he still the top QB pick Edit: yes he is, #8 overall) I don't follow that until the NCAA and NFL seasons are winding down) but playoffs are still viable. Games against the Rams and 49'ers are almost must wins, and they get Carolina too..the other 2 are Tampa and Atlanta. But get to 8 wins and hold the tie breakers with divisonal opponents and they host a playoff game...and then who knows.
Regardless, I think the clock is ticking on Hasslebeck. As you said, Carroll's flipped this team on it side with roster moves, and now with a season of seeing what Hasslebeck can and can't do, I think this offseason he can more forward with a plan to replace him next year or at least bring in his heir apparent next year.
Whitehurst is just signed for another year, and unless he gets mop up duty if Seattle really falters the next couple weeks, he's not gotten the confidence of the coach to step in and try and clean up some of Hasslebeck's messes. Not so much a free pass as Wallace with his backup, but he hasn't gotten the yank yet at half time like he sometimes needs.
Good that Carroll gets this year, both for observing Hasslebeck, but also this year back in the NFL, so he can see what type of player he needs for the franchise's next QB, a position a lot more vital then what he was used to in coaching in the Pac-10.
Finegan will and should get a bigger punnishment. He started the fight, he has a history, and the clapping and smiling after the fight can't help either.
Really? To me it looked like Finnegan jammed him hard off the line and Johnson took exception. Ripping each others helmets off is about the same, but Johnson threw a punch of punches to Finnegan, including one when Finnegan's back was to him.
The clapping and smiling is completely irrelevant and won't add any consideration to a suspension/fine.
Johnson was getting frustrated at being played physical... he's used to steam rolling corners and didn't like someone playing him tough.
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Finegan will and should get a bigger punnishment. He started the fight, he has a history, and the clapping and smiling after the fight can't help either.
They should both be suspended for the rest of the year!
