MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Muta

I wouldn't vote for her again today, but the hate for Gondek now is just ridiculous. People realize that an entire city council is responsible for making decisions, right?

You'll get 14 Dan McLean's after the next election and you'll like it

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You'll get 14 Dan McLean's after the next election

We probably will actually, if the ballot says "Conservative" next to their name. That's about all the due diligence most voters do, unfortunately.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Muta

That's who I was going to vote for, and decided to throw my vote to Gondek last minute to make sure she won when it became a two-horse race. Maybe Damery will run again. I will be voting for a socially progressive fiscally responsible candidate.

I wouldn't vote for her again today, but the hate for Gondek now is just ridiculous. People realize that an entire city council is responsible for making decisions, right?

Exact same here. Was going to vote Damery but bailed last minute to vote against Farkas. Wouldn't vote Gondek again but don't hate her either

[Muta]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

We probably will actually, if the ballot says "Conservative" next to their name. That's about all the due diligence most voters do, unfortunately.

It's always amazing to me just how many conservatives in this province blindly follow party colors without actually doing an iota of research on the current state of conservatism and UCP policies. Better to keep your head in the sand and shout loudly and angrily to make sure you own libs and communists.

"I've voted conservative my whole life!"
"The UCP is the Wild Rose Party; you know that right?"
"NO THEY'RE NOT"

[Slava]

I actually like Gondek and I was at a Q&A kind of thing last year with her. I came away quite impressed and I just think she's a good person. At the same time, I'm disappointed with this council and my councilor in particular.

I'm not sure what makes people so upset about Gondek though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

*raises hand* I think the UCP/TBA contingent are completely devoid of any intelligence whatsoever, and I think that Gondek has been a regrettable choice and I fully have buyer's remorse on voting for her. Can I hold both of those positions and not disrupt the fabric of time and space?

These idiots and lunatics are what they are, but they just said out loud what a lot of people were already thinking. I just hope Gondek is smart enough not to run again.

I don't have buyers remorse, but she has certainly fallen short. But if this is worst case, it's still a better option than where we would be with Farkas right now, a guy who worked for the Manning Foundation and by all accounts would have been no different than all the others they have foisted on us. Gondek is basically neutral as far as politicians go. Not great, not horrible. keeping in mind how bad we have seen a horrible politician be.

[TorqueDog]

To be fair, I wouldn't have voted for Farkas either. The election became effectively a binary choice.

Originally Posted by Slava

I actually like Gondek and I was at a Q&A kind of thing last year with her. I came away quite impressed and I just think she's a good person. At the same time, I'm disappointed with this council and my councilor in particular.

You can be a good person and a bad politician.
Yeah, Ward 11's councillor is a dumpster fire, you and I have shared our disdain in the past.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

To be fair, I wouldn't have voted for Farkas either. The election became effectively a binary choice.

You can be a good person and a bad politician.
Yeah, Ward 11's councillor is a dumpster fire, you and I have shared our disdain in the past.

And that's the problem going forward. The only sane choice will be to back the strongest not-UCP candidate, which is why political parties at the municipal level suck so hard. And it's basically what happened last election. I'd like a lot less of that binary choice stuff. You can either vote for who you think is the best candidate while yielding the election to insanity, or you can vote for the least bad option to be mayor. Sucks, but that's how it played out.


FWIW if you don't do that, you split the vote like what happened in Ward 4, and Chu gets in again. Many voted for who they thought would be best, and instead we got mushed turd.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

We probably will actually, if the ballot says "Conservative" next to their name. That's about all the due diligence most voters do, unfortunately.

I might've actually posted this story here before but I was changing tires with my father in law with the garage door open when Dan McLean's campaigners came by to talk. He said something to the effect of, "Oh, I'm campaigning for Dan McLean. You should vote for him. He's the only white guy running!"

I couldn't believe he said something like that unprompted. Unreal.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's a shame people viewed it as a two horse race, I actually thought Damery was the best candidate

I voted for Jan. Still feel great about the vote I did place.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's a shame people viewed it as a two horse race, I actually thought Damery was the best candidate

I've long been an advocate for doing research and voting for the candidate that best lines up with someone's views even if that means voting for candidates that have no chance of winning. It is good for our democracy.

I find it comical that some people rail against voters who will only vote for their team, ie. the stupid right win voters who will only vote conservative, and then they vote against their conviction by playing political games and voting strategically against a candidate. Both are equally stupid ways of participating in a democracy.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I find it comical that some people rail against voters who will only vote for their team, ie. the stupid right win voters who will only vote conservative, and then they vote against their conviction by playing political games and voting strategically against a candidate. Both are equally stupid ways of participating in a democracy.

I assume you're referring to me, and no - I had no problem voting for Gondek in Damery's place. They were generally similar on several social issues if I can remember. So no, I wasn't voting against conviction. At the time, both were decent choices for me.

Stupidity is voting for one party and refusing to consider others primarily because you're attached to the color, despite that being a complete facade.

[Wastedyouth]

The municipal party legislation that is being proposed is almost universally being panned and opposed at the rural level.

No one wants it, they are taking massive heat over it, and we will all be fighting against this tooth and nail.

Probably the main thing Rurals and Urbans can agree on for once, haha.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

The municipal party legislation that is being proposed is almost universally being panned and opposed at the rural level.

No one wants it, they are taking massive heat over it, and we will all be fighting against this tooth and nail.

Probably the main thing Rurals and Urbans can agree on for once, haha.

If there is anything we can be assured of, it's that this government doesn't give a crap what experts or citizens think of something, they have chosen a path and we are getting it.

[getbak]

I thought they said it would only apply to the larger cities, probably only Calgary and Edmonton but possibly Lethbridge and Red Deer too. Any smaller municipalities would stay the same.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Slava

I actually like Gondek and I was at a Q&A kind of thing last year with her. I came away quite impressed and I just think she's a good person. At the same time, I'm disappointed with this council and my councilor in particular.

I'm not sure what makes people so upset about Gondek though.

The arena deal. She sold us out to a billionaire after the people of this city repeatedly made it clear they didn’t want to bankrupt ourselves for the enrichment of a billionaire owner. And not just any arena deal, one of the worst in NA sports history.

In some ways her predicament reminds me of Kenney provincially. She’s doing just enough to piss off conservatives and just enough to piss off progressives. But not enough to make either side happy. It’s the worst kind of fence sitting.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The arena deal. She sold us out to a billionaire after the people of this city repeatedly made it clear they didn’t want to bankrupt ourselves for the enrichment of a billionaire owner. And not just any arena deal, one of the worst in NA sports history.

Do you think any other candidate would have done differently?

I guarantee you the arena deal is not the main reason the people pushing the recall are doing so, considering the arena deal seems to be the one thing Smith and Gondek seem to agree on.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Wait are we talking about why regular people don’t like Gondek or why a bunch of lunatics did a recall? Based on the flow of conversation, I was speaking to the former, not the latter.

I’m sure there’s all kinds of reasons why the average progressive voter dislikes her, arena deal is main one for me.

Why the crazy right hates her is another story. She’s a woman, a minority, is occasionally “woke”, has at times supported progressive policies. Pick one. Maybe all of them.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The arena deal. She sold us out to a billionaire after the people of this city repeatedly made it clear they didn’t want to bankrupt ourselves for the enrichment of a billionaire owner. And not just any arena deal, one of the worst in NA sports history.

In some ways her predicament reminds me of Kenney provincially. She’s doing just enough to piss off conservatives and just enough to piss off progressives. But not enough to make either side happy. It’s the worst kind of fence sitting.

I don't love the arena deal, but he truth is I just have to recognize that it was always going to happen. Honestly, that's how I feel about several of the policies and actions that this council has taken. If we had a different mayor (say Farkas/Davison) that deal still gets done and I still dislike it.

At the same time, as soon as they made the deal, I hope it goes excellent and is extremely successful. I hope that the new arena is amazing and I will want to go there.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The arena deal. She sold us out to a billionaire after the people of this city repeatedly made it clear they didn’t want to bankrupt ourselves for the enrichment of a billionaire owner.

More of blaming everything on the Mayor.

Council UNANIMOUSLY agreed to the arena deal. Gondek is one vote on Council.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ing-arena-deal