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BigTuna · 06-07-2015, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Phaneuf is overpaid as an elite #1D when he is better suited to be a number 3. The problem with Kessel is he is paid to bea franchise player when he is more of a complementary piece. These guys are not bad players but they are not franchise talents. Teams can afford to pay 3-4 players in that 7-8M range which limits the talent you can out around those players. Teams need to ensure they get the right players signed for that Franchise money.

7 million and 8 million are not the salaries of elite Ds and "Franchise Players" anymore. Your numbers are off.

FlameZilla · 06-07-2015, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

That's a decent idea.

Sign Soderberg to a Hudler type deal, move Backlund for something you need.

6'3" 216lbs Soderberg vs. 6'0" 198 Backlund? Good upgrade on size, small downgrade on faceoffs.

Had less ice time and played a full 82 games this past season while notching 44 points.

I think it's an upgrade and a reasonable one. Age may play a factor for some.

I'm leaning towards the idea that Backlund could be expendable.

I'm a fan of his play and his possession numbers, but with Bennett, Colborne, Granlund, Shore and Arnold in the frame he may be surpassed on the depth chart sooner rather than later. Soderberg would be a decent replacement while those guys develop, and one that could be had for free. Meanwhile Backlund could be packaged up to either strengthen D or RW, or to move up in the draft.

I know the Canes showed interest in Backlund in the past. Perhaps something could be worked out there. Also, he's good pals with Berglund, so perhaps St Louis might be interested in a cheap 2nd/3rd line C?

Da_Chief · 06-07-2015, 06:56 AM

That's one UFA I hope BT really targets and brings to Cal is Soderberg. Solid defensively, facoffs, can chip in offence, good size. I'd go as high as 4.5 maybe even 5 a year. He'll be really valuable. 3 years 14-15 mill?

Move Backs to LW, I think Backs should be around 2.5 maybe 3 maybe.

Backlund-Soderberg-Colborne would be a good defensive line with some pop.
Bouma-Stajan-Jooris as line 4 and Bollig as extra.

devo22 · 06-07-2015, 10:14 AM

I agree, Soderberg would be a shrewd signing. I doubt the Flames get him though, he'll get a lot of offers and there are teams out there where he can get top line minutes (ARI, for example) and probably more term too.

kehatch · 06-07-2015, 11:06 AM

I know they aren't the same players, but having Soderberg, Backlund, and Stajan on the roster is a tough sell IMO.

Plus, Stajan is signed 3 more seasons at 3.2. Backlund will get at least that. Monahan is a lock and Bennett should be on the roster next season. Plus you have Colborne, Shore, Granlund, Arnold, etc looking for ice time.

I like Soderberg, but UFA contracts are always silly. As a rebuilding team I am only handing out those contracts if I can't fill the spot via my system. In this case the Flames can.

Maybe we sign him to trade Backlund. But I don't think your getting a tonne for Backlund right now and I think Backlund has more upside relative to the future.

JohnnySkittles · 06-07-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

That's one UFA I hope BT really targets and brings to Cal is Soderberg. Solid defensively, facoffs, can chip in offence, good size. I'd go as high as 4.5 maybe even 5 a year. He'll be really valuable. 3 years 14-15 mill?

Move Backs to LW, I think Backs should be around 2.5 maybe 3 maybe.

Backlund-Soderberg-Colborne would be a good defensive line with some pop.
Bouma-Stajan-Jooris as line 4 and Bollig as extra.

He's really not that great defensively, or good in the face offs. I'd rather just keep backs and not overpay for a guy who would be our 3rd line center in a year or two.

Alberta_Beef · 06-07-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattman

Would be a good upgrade on Backlund, and it makes him expendable to upgrade other areas of the team.

And I know I always bring up Simmonds in Philly but damn he would be perfect.

Backlund
Grandlund
Wotherspoon
2015 2nd
for
Simmonds
MacDonald

I could honestly live with that type of package.

Why would we do this? MacDonald probably has the worst contract on the Flyers.

Poe969 · 06-07-2015, 12:44 PM

So we could get simmonds. Maybe McDonald gets his game back, he was given that contract for a reason, it would be great to get simmonds and a defender who could step in and contribute

Alberta_Beef · 06-07-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

So we could get simmonds. Maybe McDonald gets his game back, he was given that contract for a reason, it would be great to get simmonds and a defender who could step in and contribute

Simmonds is great and all, but MacDoanld has a contract so bad they would have to pay to dump it. He is owed almost $26 million over the next 5 years and is a bottom pairing defenseman.

For the sake of argument let's say we would take MacDonald for free (personally I wouldn't touch that contract for even their late first). Would you really be willing to give up our #2 centre, our best defense prospect, a good forward prospect and a 2nd round pick for Simmonds? Then take on 25.75 million dollars on top of that?

Yeah, not a chance. That is a horrible deal for the Flames.

Vinny01 · 06-07-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

7 million and 8 million are not the salaries of elite Ds and "Franchise Players" anymore. Your numbers are off.

Disagree $7M represents 10% of a teams cap space and you can't be warring that on 30 year old #3 D with 6 years left on his deal or a one dimensional offensive winger with 7 years at $8M per. Both are horrible contracts paying players past their prime far too much money.

Leafs can get better returns eating $1.5M per on Kessel and $2M per on Dion but that is $3.5 in cap space being tied up in those players for 6-7 more years and they would be on other teams

kehatch · 06-07-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Disagree $7M represents 10% of a teams cap space and you can't be warring that on 30 year old #3 D with 6 years left on his deal or a one dimensional offensive winger with 7 years at $8M per. Both are horrible contracts paying players past their prime far too much money.

Leafs can get better returns eating $1.5M per on Kessel and $2M per on Dion but that is $3.5 in cap space being tied up in those players for 6-7 more years and they would be on other teams

Agreed. I put this together on another forum. Basically, good teams don't have mediocre players getting paid more then 6-million (even 5) per season.

Spoiler!

dammage79 · 06-07-2015, 01:54 PM

Only team in the wrong place IMO is CLB. They should be in the up and comers. Major discredit to them. They saved a TON of face getting Horton off their books for Clarkson.

Erick Estrada · 06-07-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

Agreed. I put this together on another forum. Basically, good teams don't have mediocre players getting paid more then 6-million (even 5) per season.

Spoiler!

As in your post any team that decides to take Kessel's contract if they aren't there already immediately move into the Dumb Bums as it's simply too much money sunk into a complementary piece. The teams that spend that type of money spend it on players that are leaders and can actually get their teams in the playoffs. You sink that money into a loser and that's what your team will ultimately be.

kehatch · 06-07-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Only team in the wrong place IMO is CLB. They should be in the up and comers. Major discredit to them. They saved a TON of face getting Horton off their books for Clarkson.

Time will tell. They did Horton to themselves and now have to bear the Clarkson contract through 2021.

They are locked into their core long term. Johansen needs a big raise in a few seasons but is a very good player. Foligno looks like he could be a really great find. Dubinsky is a good player when he is healthy. But he can't stay healthy. Bobrovsky is making a elite level money and is the second highest paid goalie in the NHL. We will see if that pays off or not. Plus they have to figure out their D, especially in a few years when their guys are RFA/UFA.

I am not sure if that is a cup core. But like I said, time will tell.

BigTuna · 06-07-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Disagree $7M represents 10% of a teams cap space and you can't be warring that on 30 year old #3 D with 6 years left on his deal or a one dimensional offensive winger with 7 years at $8M per. Both are horrible contracts paying players past their prime far too much money.

Leafs can get better returns eating $1.5M per on Kessel and $2M per on Dion but that is $3.5 in cap space being tied up in those players for 6-7 more years and they would be on other teams

The Leafs will not eat money on those deals. Not necessary.

And in what world is Kessel past-his-prime?

Elite forwards now get 10.5 million per.

BigTuna · 06-07-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Only team in the wrong place IMO is CLB. They should be in the up and comers. Major discredit to them. They saved a TON of face getting Horton off their books for Clarkson.

LOL Getting David Clarkson saves face?

BigTuna · 06-07-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As in your post any team that decides to take Kessel's contract if they aren't there already immediately move into the Dumb Bums as it's simply too much money sunk into a complementary piece. The teams that spend that type of money spend it on players that are leaders and can actually get their teams in the playoffs. You sink that money into a loser and that's what your team will ultimately be.

And yet no one will be suggesting Rick Nash should have the Rangers eat some of his 8 million. Complete complimentary piece that never shows up in the playoffs,

dammage79 · 06-07-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

LOL Getting David Clarkson saves face?

Well yes. Since Horton will never lace up skates and play hockey ever again, I think it does in fact save face of a team that could get even an albatros contarct in return for an uninsurable contact.

SMall market team needed a large portion of the 6 million they invested in Horton on the ice. And, I think Clarkson is going to be a better player now that he is out of that fishbowl of a city.

hockey.modern · 06-07-2015, 05:12 PM

Would you guys go for a deal like this?

To Carolina:

J.Hiller
1st Round Pick (15)
One of our 2nd round picks
Granlund or Shore
(Maybe even add Washingtons 3rd to sweeten it)

To Calgary:

C.Ward
1st Round Pick (5)

dammage79 · 06-07-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Would you guys go for a deal like this?

To Carolina:

J.Hiller
1st Round Pick (15)
One of our 2nd round picks
Granlund or Shore
(Maybe even add Washingtons 3rd to sweeten it)

To Calgary:

C.Ward
1st Round Pick (5)

Anything in the top 5 picks IMO is wishful thinking or a pipe dream.

I think a Ward/Hiller trade is extremely logical, but more in the area of maybe getting Carolinas 2nd round pick while they downgrade to 45 or 52.

And 52 might be stretching it.

EDIT: Heck, If I was a GM massaging that deal together, I'd settle for upgrading one of the third round picks. Tacing on the extra 2 million in cap for one season is not going to get you a Kings ransom.