Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I haven't scouted a lot in person, I rely on video clips from around the net to do the lion share of my research. I'm just extremely nitpicky on all the little details of how the players do what they do and compare what the end products are of players that have certain groups of talents. (it helps when you're a decorator to be that attentive to detail.)
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Oh haha. umm well, no disrespect Cage Great, but you should probably stop claiming you've "scouted" these players then. Video clips are all well and good but to say you've scouted them, that's a bigger word then watched some video clips. Scouts rely on video to supplement actual in person viewings.

He's not bad, I always tend to prefer a little flash in some regard in the 2nd and beyond (look at Granlund and Gaudreau's offensive skill, or Sieloff's physicality). Mac doesn't really have that flash, but with his size that doesn't mean he couldn't become a solid 2nd line guy in the nhl down the road because he does have all the individual talents necessary, albeit at a lower level. He would have to learn to use his size more effectively than he does right now, and that size would help to overcome the slightly lesser skill level that he's showing. If he uses his size effectively, he could be a dangerous player. That's why I'd prefer making him a defenseman, because his slightly lesser skill level as a forward, would actually make him fairly awesome as a D-man and with his size, that's a great combo.

With our 2nd 2nd I would definitely take him if he was on the board still. I don't think he'll make it to our 1st 2nd though

I really like his shot. It's a bit weird but it's a pretty hard and accurate snap shot.

Coming from the USHL to the OHL, playing for a brutal team, he's a guy I could easily see putting up much bigger numbers next season. Probably a project but I would be happy to see the Flames nab him. I'm obviously more of a fan of his skill then you though.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Oh haha. umm well, no disrespect Cage Great, but you should probably stop claiming you've "scouted" these players then. Video clips are all well and good but to say you've scouted them, that's a bigger word then watched some video clips. Scouts rely on video to supplement actual in person viewings.

When you're evaluating raw skills, video is all that's necessary. Another reason why I consider myself to have "scouted" is because I do a breakdown of each of the prospects I watch and comb over the fine details of the players and do comparisons between their skills and other players with similar skills and issues and evaluate how the older group of players turned out and make estimations based off that. At the end of the day, these are just my opinions. I'm just saying what I see and giving my evaluations. It's not like I'm getting paid. If I was I would be more than happy to go out to the middle of nowhere to see players in person and get an even more detailed view, but I doubt I'd be posting it on here.

If a player cannot stickhandle in the right way or has a lousy shot, it doesn't matter how the rest of their game is because they won't be able to generate offense properly. That is the kind of things that I look for when I watch players. The more problems they have, the more unlikely they are able to overcome them. Conversely, the more unusual skills a player has, the more likely they will.

In the times that I have scouted in person (Eg. the flames development camp amongst others) the difference between my "video estimations" vs my in person estimations are non-existent. If a player sucks, he sucks, if he's good it'll be evident. The only thing that you get a better read on is how far away they are from overcoming their individual issues, and most of those are fixable by coaching and time.

I really like his shot. It's a bit weird but it's a pretty hard and accurate snap shot.

Coming from the USHL to the OHL, playing for a brutal team, he's a guy I could easily see putting up much bigger numbers next season. Probably a project but I would be happy to see the Flames nab him. I'm obviously more of a fan of his skill then you though.

I like his shot as well, I just don't think the rest of his offensive abilities are up to the level needed to be a scoring forward. I like that he's able to find holes in players to snipe the corners especially from the point. That's why I think he'd stand a far better chance at becoming a great player if he was a D-man. He would have all the things necessary and stand a great chance at becoming an impact player if he was back there. He's a lot more of a risk as a forward in my opinion. He would need to learn how to use his body a lot more effectively to push people in order to create more space for himself to utilize his shot.

I doubt he makes it outside the 25th pick overall either way.

[Vulcan]

He's not bad, I always tend to prefer a little flash in some regard in the 2nd and beyond (look at Granlund and Gaudreau's offensive skill, or Sieloff's physicality). Mac doesn't really have that flash, but with his size that doesn't mean he couldn't become a solid 2nd line guy in the nhl down the road because he does have all the individual talents necessary, albeit at a lower level. He would have to learn to use his size more effectively than he does right now, and that size would help to overcome the slightly lesser skill level that he's showing. If he uses his size effectively, he could be a dangerous player. That's why I'd prefer making him a defenseman, because his slightly lesser skill level as a forward, would actually make him fairly awesome as a D-man and with his size, that's a great combo.

With our 2nd 2nd I would definitely take him if he was on the board still. I don't think he'll make it to our 1st 2nd though

To me a forward is a player without the abilities to play defence, so promoting a forward to defence doesn't often work. As I've said before, going the other way, asking a defenceman to play forward is looked on as a demotion.

[dammage79]

I really want this season to end and the Lottery. I know it's only a week. But jeez.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I really want this season to end and the Lottery. I know it's only a week. But jeez.

With you there, I'm sick of all back and forth speculation every time we move a spot in the standings. Can't wait to know exactly where we stand. Too much still up in the air right now.

[nik-]

Once the lottery is over, the speculation over who picks who and who might slide to us begins.

Then the pain of next year with an even better draft class and a gang of losers tanking their way past us.

This never ends.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

With you there, I'm sick of all back and forth speculation every time we move a spot in the standings. Can't wait to know exactly where we stand. Too much still up in the air right now.

Plus, if there were 60 more games left in the season, the Oilers would make the playoffs!

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, next year is going to be insufferable

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nik-

Once the lottery is over, the speculation over who picks who and who might slide to us begins.

Then the pain of next year with an even better draft class and a gang of losers tanking their way past us.

This never ends.

Vancouver, Edmonton, Carolina (Calling it now, Ron Francis is going to tear that roster down) and Buffalo will own the tanking. Calgary wil have to have a special kind of stink about them next year to get into the McDavid \Eichel talks.

I'll bet a dollar Vancouver sinks faster than the Moritania next season.

[nik-]

Don't discount the Islanders if they don't solve their goaltending issue. The lowest I possibly see us getting next year is 3rd last, and even that I'm highly sceptical.

[mikephoen]

And don't forget Winnipeg, Nashville, NJ, Ottawa and Washington. I could easily see any (or all) of those franchises tanking hard next year.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by nik-

Don't discount the Islanders if they don't solve their goaltending issue. The lowest I possibly see us getting next year is 3rd last, and even that I'm highly sceptical.

At this rate, I'm not confident we'll be picking in the top 10 with how crappy some of these garbage teams are. One of the problems with having as many good depth prospects that we have is that we are always going to be too good to get to the level of suck that the Oilers and the rest have.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

At this rate, I'm not confident we'll be picking in the top 10 with how crappy some of these garbage teams are. One of the problems with having as many good depth prospects that we have is that we are always going to be too good to get to the level of suck that the Oilers and the rest have.

Oh we're top 10 for sure ... but would I be surprised if we were out of the top 5? Not at all. Some of these teams have no shame.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

To me a forward is a player without the abilities to play defence, so promoting a forward to defence doesn't often work. As I've said before, going the other way, asking a defenceman to play forward is looked on as a demotion.

It's the only time I have ever suggested that as a possible option with a player. That slapper just reminds me too much of his old man's and with his ability to find holes through traffic with it, that'd be deadly.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oh we're top 10 for sure ... but would I be surprised if we were out of the top 5? Not at all. Some of these teams have no shame.

They truly are a bunch of losers. On paper our team is in Buffalo's territory of terrible, and yet we have 22 points more than them. 22. And if our lead holds 24.

Pathetic.

[nik-]

I have no doubt that Buffalo will be historically bad next year. Everything they've been moving towards shows they have zero intention of even trying next season.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by nik-

I have no doubt that Buffalo will be historically bad next year. Everything they've been moving towards shows they have zero intention of even trying next season.

Well, at worst in their mind they'd get Eichel if not McDavid, so that's a good gamble I guess. No shame or feelings of being pathetic there at all.

We'd have to get rid of Cammalleri, Glencross, Hudler, Giordano, Ramo, and Ortio in order to compete with their level of garbage.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Well, at worst in their mind they'd get Eichel if not McDavid, so that's a good gamble I guess. No shame or feelings of being pathetic there at all.

We'd have to get rid of Cammalleri, Glencross, Hudler, Giordano, Ramo, and Ortio in order to compete with their level of garbage.

Even then I doubt we're bad enough. Something about this team is the inverse of our past vet teams. Where they would underachieve, this team has no business even winning the amount of games it has.

[sureLoss]

Chances after NJ win

Standings
30 0.0%
29 0.0%
28 0.0%
27 26.2%
26 69.0%
25 4.3%
24 0.5%
23 0.0%
22 0.0%
21 0.0%

Pick (includes lottery)

1st overall 8.7%
2nd overall 0.0%
3rd overall 0.0%
4th overall 15.2%
5th overall 55.6%
6th overall 19.3%
7th overall 1.2%
8th overall 0.1%
9th overall 0.0%
10th overall 0.0%


Top scenarios (accounts for 98.5% of possible scenarios):
47.4% Flames finish 26th and retain 5th overall
16.0% Flames finish 26th and are are bumped to 6th overall
15.2% Flames finish 27th and retain 4th overall
8.2% Flames finish 27th and are bumped down to 5th overall
5.6% Flames finish 26th and win the lottery for 1st overall
3.3% Flames finish 25th and retain 6th overall
2.8% Flames finish 27th and win lottery for 1st overall

[djsFlames]

Draisaitl (if NYI takes a winger - only top C I see dropping that far)
Dal Colle
Ehlers
Fleury
Virtanen

Ritchie doesn't make the list because I really don't want Penner 2.0.