Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What PP did was shift the Overton Window.


Now suddenly it's radical to talk about wanting to preserve the environment but it's normal to talk about deporting PoC for bogeyman reasons. Woke is suddenly an insult when it used to, literally, mean waking up to the reality of the world

PP just rode the coattails of those who actually shifted this window. He did not shift anything with his rhetoric, except perhaps a few limp weeners in the pants of canadian incels.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

That poll is specific to Poilievre as a leader, not measuring the CPC itself. Diehard partisans will toe the party line.

Accessible CPC is the clear inflexion point (where I would fit in for example), where Carney is significantly more palatable as a leader.

You want to be looking at leaders approval ratings, Carney is around 50% approval while Poilievre is around 32%, a stark difference from how the parties are polling.

Carney as a leader is more popular than the Liberals, and Poilievre as a leader is less popular than the CPC. Poilievre has always polled worse than the CPC from day 1 when he first became leader and was always a poor choice.

Let's not forget where we were a year ago. Conservatives were polling at well above 46% yet Poilievre never once went above 41% approval rating and generally polled lower than the CPC.

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-polit...-january-2025/

Basically, the CPC needs a Carney with the significant shift that occured in priorities, but Carney is on the other side of the aisle and they are stuck with Poilievre.

While that's all true, it doesn't reflect your statement "That the CPC brand is significantly stronger than Poilievre himself". Is it? It seems they needed PP to drag the party to where it is, and how well they did in the election. But I don't know that that shows the CPC brand is strong. I'm not trying to beat you up on it, I'm genuinely curious if that is the case, and what evidence exists for it. I think we will only know with a change, and even that will depend on direction.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I would have preferred PP step down and the CPC recruit a non-career politician who can compete with Carney in terms of brains, management/business experience etc.

They would run as a Liberal. lol

No one with a brain is going to touch the Reform Party and their 3/4 of a basket of deplorables.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

They would run as a Liberal. lol

No one with a brain is going to touch the Reform Party and their 3/4 of a basket of deplorables.

Kevin O'Leary, step on down.


I know, it wouldn't be a fair fight.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Kevin O'Leary, step on down.


I know, it wouldn't be a fair fight.

Watching O'Leary on CNN as a guest panelist, Carney would eat him for breakfast.

The moron got lucky by selling kid's workbooks for 6 million. hahaha.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

While that's all true, it doesn't reflect your statement "That the CPC brand is significantly stronger than Poilievre himself". Is it? It seems they needed PP to drag the party to where it is, and how well they did in the election. But I don't know that that shows the CPC brand is strong. I'm not trying to beat you up on it, I'm genuinely curious if that is the case, and what evidence exists for it. I think we will only know with a change, and even that will depend on direction.

It depends what you believe happened last election.

Was opinion against Trudeau and the liberals so toxic that a made the Cons led by PP an option. Then when a credible option of Carney took over lots of people flipped back but some of the we need a change group stayed.

Or do you believe that PP gained popularity irregardless of the liberals poor performance.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

While that's all true, it doesn't reflect your statement "That the CPC brand is significantly stronger than Poilievre himself". Is it? It seems they needed PP to drag the party to where it is, and how well they did in the election. But I don't know that that shows the CPC brand is strong. I'm not trying to beat you up on it, I'm genuinely curious if that is the case, and what evidence exists for it. I think we will only know with a change, and even that will depend on direction.

The CPC base thought Trudeau was so unpopular they could run anyone they wanted and still win. And if it wasn't for Trump's lunacy changing the question in the election from "who do we trust to save us money" to "who do we trust to stand up to Trump" I think they would have been right.

I also suspect many folks didn't think Trudeau would actually resign, and PP would have (imo) won the election if Trudeau had run again. Carney is quite a bit closer to the CPC than Trudeau and took back a lot of the votes that the CPC was counting on, some of whom they may have kept with a more centrist candidate.