Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Pierre Pomerianian is live now in the house of commons. God does he have the whiniest bitch voice in Cdn politics history. He makes Preston Manning sound like Morgan Freeman. hahahahahaha

[Johnny Makarov]

What a total smug dbag. Anyone who voted for this moron should punch themselves in the nuts.

[Johnny Makarov]

Corey Hogan just lighting into PP! hahaha. it's night and day between them.

Flaming PP about his moronic talking points today designed for his trip to Calgary later this week! haha. Can someone pull the fire alarm at the convention?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Slava

Ok, so if that one gets repealed now, what are we left with?

It will be replaced by another act, the same way it had in 2012 and 2019 when a government wants to repeal an act into one they prefer based on political appetite.

https://www.conservative.ca/poilievr...urce-projects/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...il-7-1.7503791

This isn't anything new or earth shattering here from a conservative standpoint of wanting less red tape (and something that Carney himself has stated he wants to cut red tape wherever makes sense)

https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-bo...-red-tape.html

“Canada’s new government has a mandate to spend less and invest more. To that end, we will remove red tape by eliminating outdated regulation. It’s time to make government more efficient, make its processes more effective, and to catalyze more private capital so we can build the strongest economy in the G7.”

- The Right Honourable Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada

[Johnny Makarov]

hahahaha now the Libs are just straight up mocking PP.

"You blew a 25 point lead and you are going to use the same playbook?" hahahahahahahahahahhaahhahaa

and they just called them the Reform party! WTF the Libs are stealing my playbook.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So the conservatives spent the entire morning posting a clip from Hannity where Bessent says that Carney walked back his Davos comments in a convo with Trump. Carney confirms that he did not say anything like that. Awkward place for the Cons as they need Trump to validate their statements and nobody believes anything Trump says and nothing Carney has done indicates that Trump and his minions could be remotely correct.

I don’t know how anyone can take anything Bessent says seriously. Dude lies and spews complete nonsense every time he opens his mouth, so it’s not surprising that he would make s*** up about Carney.

Based on what Carney said today, it actually sounds like the conversation he had with Trump was a cordial one.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahahaha now the Libs are just straight up mocking PP.

"You blew a 25 point lead and you are going to use the same playbook?" hahahahahahahahahahhaahhahaa

and they just called them the Reform party! WTF the Libs are stealing my playbook.

Liberals are playing Poilievre like a cheap fiddle heading into his leadership review.

That the CPC brand is significantly stronger than Poilievre himself give them an exit strategy to get rid of a very net negative, but they won't take it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Liberals are playing Poilievre like a cheap fiddle heading into his leadership review.

That the CPC brand is significantly stronger than Poilievre himself give them an exit strategy to get rid of a very net negative, but they won't take it.

Is it? I checked out a recent Abacus thread, and it doesn't address this question directly, but it does go into Pierre and how Canadians feel about him. Have you seen one showing this?


https://abacusdata.ca/canadians-shar...es-leadership/


It's a tough thing to gauge, because leadership makes up so much of the current party(see Liberals). For now, Pierre IS the CPC. I don't think Canadians can judge the popularity of the party without him, as it would tend to be more of a view of who wants change. But given his strong support with the base, I don't think he's going anywhere, and if he does, the base will likely replace him with someone similar. I'm not sure that sways the public back to the CPC.

[Johnny Makarov]

The Libs need to chill though. Carny sounding pretty smug beating down PP. They need to help PP win the leadership.

That would guarantee them a super majority for the next election.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is it? I checked out a recent Abacus thread, and it doesn't address this question directly, but it does go into Pierre and how Canadians feel about him. Have you seen one showing this?


https://abacusdata.ca/canadians-shar...es-leadership/


It's a tough thing to gauge, because leadership makes up so much of the current party(see Liberals). For now, Pierre IS the CPC. I don't think Canadians can judge the popularity of the party without him, as it would tend to be more of a view of who wants change. But given his strong support with the base, I don't think he's going anywhere, and if he does, the base will likely replace him with someone similar. I'm not sure that sways the public back to the CPC.

The CPC is in a much stronger position that they were under Scheer or O'Toole. Part of that is due to increasing fatigue (or skepticism) with the ruling party and more people wanting change, even for change's sake, but part of it is that Poilievre is a much stronger leader. Not the kind of leader I like, and not a good leader in many ways, but he has been focused and communicates his message well. I think the CPC would take a step back with any of the likely contenders. I also think it will be very hard to take a step forward with PP because his style has made him a hard no with a large portion of the electorate. Maybe if he borrows Harper's sweater-vest...

[Fuzz]

If he wants non-Conservative base Canadians to vote for him, he's going to have to dump the arrogance and deal with media like any normal Canadian would. He's not Trump, and we are not Americans. That always scores points with his base, but he doesn't need to convince them anymore. I dunno, maybe he needs to do a Crave special on wood and apples, so we can see him acting more like a human.

[troutman]

If being PM was based on merit, you would hire Carney on the spot and give him a signing bonus. Pierre Polymath would not even get an interview.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is it? I checked out a recent Abacus thread, and it doesn't address this question directly, but it does go into Pierre and how Canadians feel about him. Have you seen one showing this?


https://abacusdata.ca/canadians-shar...es-leadership/


It's a tough thing to gauge, because leadership makes up so much of the current party(see Liberals). For now, Pierre IS the CPC. I don't think Canadians can judge the popularity of the party without him, as it would tend to be more of a view of who wants change. But given his strong support with the base, I don't think he's going anywhere, and if he does, the base will likely replace him with someone similar. I'm not sure that sways the public back to the CPC.

That poll is specific to Poilievre as a leader, not measuring the CPC itself. Diehard partisans will toe the party line.

Accessible CPC is the clear inflexion point (where I would fit in for example), where Carney is significantly more palatable as a leader.

You want to be looking at leaders approval ratings, Carney is around 50% approval while Poilievre is around 32%, a stark difference from how the parties are polling.

Carney as a leader is more popular than the Liberals, and Poilievre as a leader is less popular than the CPC. Poilievre has always polled worse than the CPC from day 1 when he first became leader and was always a poor choice.

Let's not forget where we were a year ago. Conservatives were polling at well above 46% yet Poilievre never once went above 41% approval rating and generally polled lower than the CPC.

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-polit...-january-2025/



Basically, the CPC needs a Carney with the significant shift that occured in priorities, but Carney is on the other side of the aisle and they are stuck with Poilievre.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The CPC is in a much stronger position that they were under Scheer or O'Toole. Part of that is due to increasing fatigue (or skepticism) with the ruling party and more people wanting change, even for change's sake, but part of it is that Poilievre is a much stronger leader. Not the kind of leader I like, and not a good leader in many ways, but he has been focused and communicates his message well. I think the CPC would take a step back with any of the likely contenders. I also think it will be very hard to take a step forward with PP because his style has made him a hard no with a large portion of the electorate. Maybe if he borrows Harper's sweater-vest...

I do not feel that this is a true sentiment. The CPC has been absorbed into the cult of the leader. The whole party is PP and PP is the party. With PP's approval ratings in the crapper it really implies that the whole CPC is in there with him.

I think most people who wanted change from the Trudeau government are currently feeling really good about the changes they are seeing. Carney is delivering a lot on the things that many self-proclaimed progressive conservatives are interested in: Economy, Military, protecting Canada from external forces.

Also, most of them are probably recognizing that Carney is doing it better than the CPC/PP ever could. If there was another election this year, I think a lot of 'small c' Conservative voters would flip to the Liberals.

It is going to be really interesting to watch and see what the CPC does. If they stay with PP they lock in a loser who has already lost to Carney and will most likely hand Carney a majority government.

If they try to move on, any replacement that tries to take over the CPC is going to have to deal with their internal BS, which likely means pandering to the religious groups that want to abolish abortions or the far right nuts who want to join the US. At which point they will be unelectable in a general election because of all of the things they say in the leadership race. Rinse & Repeat.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I do not feel that this is a true sentiment. The CPC has been absorbed into the cult of the leader. The whole party is PP and PP is the party. With PP's approval ratings in the crapper it really implies that the whole CPC is in there with him.

I think most people who wanted change from the Trudeau government are currently feeling really good about the changes they are seeing. Carney is delivering a lot on the things that many self-proclaimed progressive conservatives are interested in: Economy, Military, protecting Canada from external forces.

Also, most of them are probably recognizing that Carney is doing it better than the CPC/PP ever could. If there was another election this year, I think a lot of 'small c' Conservative voters would flip to the Liberals.

It is going to be really interesting to watch and see what the CPC does. If they stay with PP they lock in a loser who has already lost to Carney and will most likely hand Carney a majority government.

If they try to move on, any replacement that tries to take over the CPC is going to have to deal with their internal BS, which likely means pandering to the religious groups that want to abolish abortions or the far right nuts who want to join the US. At which point they will be unelectable in a general election because of all of the things they say in the leadership race. Rinse & Repeat.

I don’t think we’re far apart in our thinking. The CPC hit a high point with PP milking Trudeau-fatigue and catering to the reform base. Carney has given some of those voters a safe place to switch back. But the CPC is still polling better than under other previous leaders, maybe because PP and the base are totally aligned as you say, though I suspect there’s still a contingent that just wants change. PP may drag them down to defeat since he polls significantly worse than the party, but a new, more compelling leader will struggle mightily with the current base. Either way, prospects are not good for them unless inflation rears up in a big way.

[puffnstuff]

Carnservatives

[GranteedEV]

What PP did was shift the Overton Window.


Now suddenly it's radical to talk about wanting to preserve the environment but it's normal to talk about deporting PoC for bogeyman reasons. Woke is suddenly an insult when it used to, literally, mean waking up to the reality of the world

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

What a total smug dbag. Anyone who voted for this moron should punch themselves in the nuts.

If they aren't willing then I offer to do it

[Manhattanboy]

I would have preferred PP step down and the CPC recruit a non-career politician who can compete with Carney in terms of brains, management/business experience etc.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I don’t think we’re far apart in our thinking. The CPC hit a high point with PP milking Trudeau-fatigue and catering to the reform base. Carney has given some of those voters a safe place to switch back. But the CPC is still polling better than under other previous leaders, maybe because PP and the base are totally aligned as you say, though I suspect there’s still a contingent that just wants change. PP may drag them down to defeat since he polls significantly worse than the party, but a new, more compelling leader will struggle mightily with the current base. Either way, prospects are not good for them unless inflation rears up in a big way.

Yes, the major pitfall of each CPC leader since the merger is that in order to win the leadership race they have to pander to the religious and fringe elements of the party, perspective leaders have to agree to things that largely make them unelectable across the nation. Their plan to "unite the right" really just results in them becoming more extreme and undesirable and the main reason they remain as the opposition is because the NDP has been lost in the woods and no other party is really viable to challenge the CPC.

In a 2 party system, this sets the stage for them to eventually take over the government when people tire of the governing party.

In a multi-party system, this creates an opportunity for another party to rise up and try to fill that role of "voting for change". Ideally the wake up call on the right is that they need to split the party back up into PCs and Reform so that the PCs can be moderate enough to appeal to the larger population.... but that seems highly unlikely.

So, as long as the CPC stays as fringe right as they are, the need increases for another party to get their act together and challenge the Liberals.

Otherwise we are going to have to listen to PP cry about "the lost Liberal quarter-century" and how he's the only one who can turn things around....