2011 NFL thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Papi34

How is it a "moronic post" you discredited every single offensive player on the pats with your ingenious post including the record setting TE, league leader in receiving yards, a former superbowl MVP and arguably one of the best offensive lines in the game.

Lol and only brady could hit a 6'7 260 pnd TE who is a matchup nightmare for every team in the league.

You my friend are not one i would look to for football advice.

Im not even gonna start with Welker because your argument is so beyond ridiculous. all i will say is 2008. Am i saying Brady isnt the best in the game, no but i am saying that hes not the only talent on the team and to say so is just beyond "moronic"

How is it moronic? Well first of all I guarantee you couldn't complete a pass in the NFL, so that statement was moronic. Second, without Brady none of those guys have the numbers they have. That doesn't make hem lesser players, it just means that modern NFL football is a game that is driven by the QB. Third, it's moronic because you somehow have this idiotic idea that making this point means that I'm saying Brady is the only talent on the team. At no point did I say that, please quote the line where I did. The fact is if a receiver or TE doesn't have balls thrown to them they are useless, this is not a complicated concept. It was a moronic post that demonstrated a complete disregard for the importance of an elite QB, especially with a team in Indy that is currently giving a real time demonstration of that fact.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

One of the nastiest knee injuires I've ever seen. Brutal hit.

dont like to see these injuries but i lost all respect for Petersen when he called the NFL "modern day slavery". just another dummy who is lucky he can play a game and earn that kind of money

[valo403]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

dont like to see these injuries but i lost all respect for Petersen when he called the NFL "modern day slavery". just another dummy who is lucky he can play a game and earn that kind of money

That was in the midst of very contentious CBA negotiations, judging someone based upon that is silly.

[transplant99]

And the NFC goes thru Lambeau..........all is right with the world again.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And the NFC goes thru Lambeau..........all is right with the world again.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Packers surpass the Cowboys as "bandwagon team"......

Plenty of brand new Packer gear out there. Didn't see it two years ago.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Excited about the upcoming game against the Chiefs. Its going to be a blast to watch.

[PIMking]

Fiance's dad lives in Indianapolis just found out that his brother got two superbowl tickets and it looks like I'm going.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

Plenty of brand new Packer gear out there. Didn't see it two years ago.

Yup...everyone loves a winner...and they are a great story on top of that.

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by valo403

How is it moronic? Well first of all I guarantee you couldn't complete a pass in the NFL, so that statement was moronic. Second, without Brady none of those guys have the numbers they have. That doesn't make hem lesser players, it just means that modern NFL football is a game that is driven by the QB. Third, it's moronic because you somehow have this idiotic idea that making this point means that I'm saying Brady is the only talent on the team. At no point did I say that, please quote the line where I did. The fact is if a receiver or TE doesn't have balls thrown to them they are useless, this is not a complicated concept. It was a moronic post that demonstrated a complete disregard for the importance of an elite QB, especially with a team in Indy that is currently giving a real time demonstration of that fact.

Originally Posted by valo403

The Pats D is well below average, and all those guys you named on O are useless without Brady putting the ball in their hands. You could make a similar list using the Colts, and look here they are without an all-world QB.

Your whole first point disregarded any talent that the pats have!!

Dude are you kidding me right now?! How did Vernon Davis break the record for touchdowns by a TE with Alex Smith passing him the ball? How did Baltimore win a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer? How have the Steelers won 2 superbowls with Big Ben? How did New England manage to go 11-5 without Brady in 2008.

Are you trying to tell me if the pats had a lesser qb than Brady, gronkowski, Welker and hernandez would be useless?! because i can easily use the reverse argument here. Ochocinco put up seasons of 1000 yards with Carson palmer but has 250 with Brady, does that make Palmer a better qb because without Palmer, Ochocinco is useless. How about Hernandez, the guy was a receiving beast in college. His qb was Tebow... must be better than Brady because he was putting up better numbers in college than the NFL.

Ok final argument and you can drop your absolutely ridiculous beyond stupid argument as you couldnt be more wrong.

Welker 2008 Receiving Yards (Matt Cassel, hadnt thrown a pass since high school) - 1,165
Welker 2007 Receiving Yards (Tom Brady, record breaking offensive year) - 1,175

Yup Brady makes Welker, Welker is completely useless without Brady

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Papi34

Your whole first point disregarded any talent that the pats have!!

Dude are you kidding me right now?! How did Vernon Davis break the record for touchdowns by a TE with Alex Smith passing him the ball? How did Baltimore win a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer? How have the Steelers won 2 superbowls with Big Ben? How did New England manage to go 11-5 without Brady in 2008.

Are you trying to tell me if the pats had a lesser qb than Brady, gronkowski, Welker and hernandez would be useless?! because i can easily use the reverse argument here. Ochocinco put up seasons of 1000 yards with Carson palmer but has 250 with Brady, does that make Palmer a better qb because without Palmer, Ochocinco is useless. How about Hernandez, the guy was a receiving beast in college. His qb was Tebow... must be better than Brady because he was putting up better numbers in college than the NFL.

Ok final argument and you can drop your absolutely ridiculous beyond stupid argument as you couldnt be more wrong.

Welker 2008 Receiving Yards (Matt Cassel, hadnt thrown a pass since high school) - 1,165
Welker 2007 Receiving Yards (Tom Brady, record breaking offensive year) - 1,175

Yup Brady makes Welker, Welker is completely useless without Brady

Vernon Davis broke a record by playing in a system, and with a QB, that utilizes his skill exceptionally well. Baltimore won a super bowl with Dilfer because they had perhaps the best defense of all time (the fact that you actually referenced this as part of your argument makes me question if you even know the shape of a football, let alone anything else about the game). Big Ben is one of the elite QB's in the league, so I'm not really sure why you're referencing him. Ocho put up big seasons with Palmer, who was a Pro Bowler at the time, when he was in his prime. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but players generally put up bigger numbers in their prime then they do on the downswing of their careers. I'm also a big fan of your reference to a completely different league with completely different demands and styles of play, really demonstrating your acumen once again.

Btw, Cassel played pretty damn good in 2008. That may have something to do with the numbers.

The bottom line is if Brian Hoyer is starting 16 games for the Pats this season they're not a playoff team, and I'm a huge Hoyer fan.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...everyone loves a winner...and they are a great story on top of that.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Papi34

Your whole first point disregarded any talent that the pats have!!

Dude are you kidding me right now?! How did Vernon Davis break the record for touchdowns by a TE with Alex Smith passing him the ball? How did Baltimore win a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer? How have the Steelers won 2 superbowls with Big Ben? How did New England manage to go 11-5 without Brady in 2008.

Are you trying to tell me if the pats had a lesser qb than Brady, gronkowski, Welker and hernandez would be useless?! because i can easily use the reverse argument here. Ochocinco put up seasons of 1000 yards with Carson palmer but has 250 with Brady, does that make Palmer a better qb because without Palmer, Ochocinco is useless. How about Hernandez, the guy was a receiving beast in college. His qb was Tebow... must be better than Brady because he was putting up better numbers in college than the NFL.

Ok final argument and you can drop your absolutely ridiculous beyond stupid argument as you couldnt be more wrong.

Welker 2008 Receiving Yards (Matt Cassel, hadnt thrown a pass since high school) - 1,165
Welker 2007 Receiving Yards (Tom Brady, record breaking offensive year) - 1,175

Yup Brady makes Welker, Welker is completely useless without Brady

You never saw Welker when he was a Dolphin did you?

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You never saw Welker when he was a Dolphin did you?

As an undrafted free agent who put up 680 yards receiving in his last year there?

Ya hes a pretty decent receiver.

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by valo403

Vernon Davis broke a record by playing in a system, and with a QB, that utilizes his skill exceptionally well. Baltimore won a super bowl with Dilfer because they had perhaps the best defense of all time (the fact that you actually referenced this as part of your argument makes me question if you even know the shape of a football, let alone anything else about the game). Big Ben is one of the elite QB's in the league, so I'm not really sure why you're referencing him. Ocho put up big seasons with Palmer, who was a Pro Bowler at the time, when he was in his prime. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but players generally put up bigger numbers in their prime then they do on the downswing of their careers. I'm also a big fan of your reference to a completely different league with completely different demands and styles of play, really demonstrating your acumen once again.

Btw, Cassel played pretty damn good in 2008. That may have something to do with the numbers.

The bottom line is if Brian Hoyer is starting 16 games for the Pats this season they're not a playoff team, and I'm a huge Hoyer fan.

The point of my previous statement with Baltimore winning and Davis setting the record is that there is more to a successful team and players than just a qb so thank you for proving that point. Personally i think Bill Belichek is more important to the Pats than Brady but they go hand in hand really.

Big Ben elite? i knew you were out to lunch but really? I specifically remember Ben winning them a superbowl with their terrible defense and no run game

Theres a reason Cassel was successful in 2008 and that was he had 2 pro bowl receivers in Moss and Welker and a damn good head coach and OC.

The patriots won 3 superbowls because of an opportunistic defense and a well balanced offense... not Tom Brady.

Anyways countless times a team has won a superbowl with an average QB. by your logic the 2007 superbowl shouldn't have even been played i mean mini manning vs brady why bother right?

Any ways i agree with Hoyer we arent a playoff team but i still think they win about 8 games

I wont be responding to anymore of your posts so save your breathe, pretty clear whose right in this one seeing as my posts are backed by stats and real life examples

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Papi34

As an undrafted free agent who put up 680 yards receiving in his last year there?

Ya hes a pretty decent receiver.

I'll meet you halfway. Gronkowski is an excellent player with great pedigree and would excel for anyone. Welker is not that good. He went undrafted for a reason, SD cut him immediately, and 1 of 3 years in Miami he was good only because he found a click with Harrington and they went with it in the 2nd half of the season. Brady and NE's scheme has made Welker what he is.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Papi34

Big Ben elite? i knew you were out to lunch but really? I specifically remember Ben winning them a superbowl with their terrible defense and no run game

Not sure what your definition of elite is but he is the 5th best QB in the league and just a notch below Rodgers, Brees, Brady and P. Manning (when healthy) and much better than the QB's that would come on the list. He may not be as flashy as the top guys but he is a great QB no doubt.

The patriots won 3 superbowls because of an opportunistic defense and a well balanced offense... not Tom Brady.

Wasn't valo talking about this year though? The defense is garbage this year and not close to the opportunistic defense that they had in the past. And with a handful of crap backs the offense isn't really close to as well balanced as in the past.

I wont be responding to anymore of your posts so save your breathe, pretty clear whose right in this one seeing as my posts are backed by stats and real life examples

Just in case people had thought Pats fans weren't self important D-bags anymore we have this gem to help us remind us the kind of jerk that cheers for the Pats.

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by moon

Not sure what your definition of elite is but he is the 5th best QB in the league and just a notch below Rodgers, Brees, Brady and P. Manning (when healthy) and much better than the QB's that would come on the list. He may not be as flashy as the top guys but he is a great QB no doubt.



Wasn't valo talking about this year though? The defense is garbage this year and not close to the opportunistic defense that they had in the past. And with a handful of crap backs the offense isn't really close to as well balanced as in the past.



Just in case people had thought Pats fans weren't self important D-bags anymore we have this gem to help us remind us the kind of jerk that cheers for the Pats.

Lol oh Moon, thanks for chiming in!

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'll meet you halfway. Gronkowski is an excellent player with great pedigree and would excel for anyone. Welker is not that good. He went undrafted for a reason, SD cut him immediately, and 1 of 3 years in Miami he was good only because he found a click with Harrington and they went with it in the 2nd half of the season. Brady and NE's scheme has made Welker what he is.

Ill roll with that GS, im almost hoping Welker signs elsewhere this year just to see how he would do in a different system with a different QB but no way the pats dont franchise him if he cant get a deal done

[moon]

Originally Posted by Papi34

Lol oh Moon, thanks for chiming in!

Keep that excellent analysis and stats coming.

With great breakdowns like that it is pretty easy to see why you are so busy patting yourself on the back.