Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Slava]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Canada should embrace Mel Hurtig politics.

I was an enormous fan of the National Party and I read all his books. I had several conversations and email exchanges with him also, and he was a really interesting person.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

What does PP do now after watching that and seeing the reaction? If he had any sort of humility or ability for self-reflection he would have to step down and quietly slink away, but of course that won't happen. I wonder if the calls to axe him from the leadership start to get louder now from within his own house, the con rank & file have to see that they'd be in for an historic embarrassment if they kept PP on for another election don't they?

Nanos has Liberals at 39% and CPC at 35%, while it has Carney at 51% and Poilievre is at 26%. There's a clear outlier and problem yet Poilievre is still somehow there.

Meanwhile Poilievre can't wait to step away from Battle River-Crowfoot

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ding-9.7053418

A proper Canadian party leader would understand the meaning of Carney's speech and make a statement standing by it as a Canadian.

Instead he has 2 tweets about the NEW Liberal carbon tax while quoting the Western Standard (when it's the same as the one implemented in 2023),

And the speech would have never happened with Poilievre.

https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/work...9I7qEjTXKGLdDA

This opinion piece calls it out. I mean it worked when Trudeau and his ideological narcissism was at the helm, but now there is a real pragmatic PM facing a very real threat, it's completely tone deaf.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...96b249870.html

[Smartcar]

As expected, Trump disses Carney and his speech. Oh and his toadies gave him a standing ovation too

Trump is criticizing Prime Minister Mark Carney of Canada, prompting some gasps in the audience. Yesterday, Carney said the current period amounted to a “rupture” rather than a “transition.” “Canada lives because of the United States,” Trump said. “Remember that, Mark, the next time you make your statements.”

[Fuzz]

Oh, Mark is fully aware. That's why he's encouraging the world to distance themselves from your disastrous policies.

[Hockeyguy15]

Is the where America "the greatest nation in the world" finds out that they aren't as great as they thought, and they can't do it alone? Would it surprise me if they start firing off nukes on their way now? Probably not.

[Voodooman]

The NYT piece, and some other sources, are citing government officials as saying Carney wrote that speech himself. While unsurprising, it is impressive, as it was exceedingly well crafted. Using the Havel example was really well done, I think it made the point perfectly.

I was sort of on the Carney train before, but now I'm fully converted. He finished any ambitions PP might of still held on being PM, as Carney's message will resonate with moderate Cons. Yeah, PP will still have Marilena and all her idiots, but he's done on the national stage.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Damn good speech, totally agree. Not often I listen to one beginning to end.

Also extremely impressed that he seems to have rattled the whole thing off from memory. No pages in front of him, no teleprompters.

[IliketoPuck]

There were teleprompters, but that's par for the course. Hell of a speech.

[Johnny Makarov]

I have no idea how anyone could have doubted him during the election? After what he did for us in 2008 and what he did for the UK after Brexit.

Like oh noes! he is a running Brookfield successfully! lol

Him vs PP was like a University professor running against a Grade 3 elementary student. and yet you still had deplorable morons vote for the Yap Dog! ahhahahahaha

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don’t think that’s smart at all.

You push Trump / America they really will invade. There is no winning a war against America. Current course and quiet economic unentanglement while telling Trump whatever he wants to hear is best move. Then just shift your country away as much as as possible diplomatically, economically, etc.

You can tell he’s already thinking about it. Invasion is likely on the table for him.

So after hearing Carney's and Trump's speeches at Davos, do you still feal like Canada should be sucking Trump's dick, or should self-determination and the ability to defend Canada's sovereignty more important? I'd respond to Trump's speech with a resounding cancellation of the F35, and signing a deal with Sweden on the Gripen. I would then sign a deal with Germany for a similar deal to buy and build Leopard tanks in Canada to fortify NATO2 as the original dissolves under Trump. I'd also invest heavily into the aerospace and defense industries in developing massive numbers of drones of all types to defend our airspace, or waterways, and project some offensive capabilities. Don't set yourself up to be America's happy meal.

[Firebot]

I still can't believe we have a fricking fentanyl czar.

For your amusement. I love how we have to reiterate over and over how we aren't a source of fentanyl exports.

https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/...blication.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/privy-counc...ecap-2025.html

[Sr. Mints]

I can't imagine Pierre Polierve standing on stage in Davos--or on any stage anywhere--delivering a speech with such poise and solemnity.

Unfortunately, I can only imagine him standing on stage with his ###### in his hand shouting slogans. The guy is his own worst enemy.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So after hearing Carney's and Trump's speeches at Davos, do you still feal like Canada should be sucking Trump's dick, or should self-determination and the ability to defend Canada's sovereignty more important? I'd respond to Trump's speech with a resounding cancellation of the F35, and signing a deal with Sweden on the Gripen. I would then sign a deal with Germany for a similar deal to buy and build Leopard tanks in Canada to fortify NATO2 as the original dissolves under Trump. I'd also invest heavily into the aerospace and defense industries in developing massive numbers of drones of all types to defend our airspace, or waterways, and project some offensive capabilities. Don't set yourself up to be America's happy meal.

I’ll recalibrate a bit, after thinking about it. I don’t completely disagree with you or think your point is without merit or consideration, it’s a valid point for sure. I’m just coming at this from the POV that is how do we minimize the number of Canadian casualties, and I think that is the rolling over strategy (I’d prefer this description over your “sucking his dick”…). It’s all seeming somewhat inevitable here though, regardless if Canada decides to go buy a coupla planes.

[Ped]

Yeah I couldn't stand Trudeau but he's not in office anymore, and I can't understand why anyone gives a #### what he's doing. Well, I can but it's almost as sad as Trump going on about Biden.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ll recalibrate a bit, after thinking about it. I don’t completely disagree with you or think your point is without merit or consideration, it’s a valid point for sure. I’m just coming at this from the POV that is how do we minimize the number of Canadian casualties, and I think that is the rolling over strategy (I’d prefer this description over your “sucking his dick”…). It’s all seeming somewhat inevitable here though, regardless if Canada decides to go buy a coupla planes.

It's not just buying a couple planes. It is making a commitment to be the United States' lap dog and be subject to a dictator who take what he wants when he wants. There is no sovereignty in this relationship, not with a megalomaniac who has said he doesn't care about you or your life. The guy is a bully and only understands displays of strength. If you're not prepared to punch the bully in the face then you're giving him permission to steal your lunch money and violate you in the shower room whenever he has the urge. I applaud Carney and his approach. It is best to look elsewhere for what Canada needs because it is currently in an abusive relationship and it makes no sense to stay with the abuser. Time for Canada to punch the bully in the face and get out of the relationship. Cancel the F35 procurement and go with the Gripen! Show strength and earn some respect.

[puffnstuff]

We should tell him we bought ton of stealth fighters but they are invisible so he cant see them.

Note: trump has repeatedly said his stealth fighters are invisible

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

We should tell him we bought ton of stealth fighters but they are invisible so he cant see them.

Note: trump has repeatedly said his stealth fighters are invisible

Also the trillion-million dollars we paid are invisible too.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I still can't believe we have a fricking fentanyl czar.

For your amusement. I love how we have to reiterate over and over how we aren't a source of fentanyl exports.

https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/...blication.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/privy-counc...ecap-2025.html

Greenlanders are spoofing Trump by pretending they are fentanyl adicts, standing all bent over in the middle of the street.