I watched him in July 2013 at the development camp and he was the worst of the goalies including the walk-ons. He was also terrible in the training camp. Yes, Berra was likely going to start in the AHL regardless, but his assignment to the ECHL was justified based on his play.
No, he wasn't.
I really don't understand why people feel the need to try and speak in such absolutes.
That was the penticton tournament, and his only good outing of the entire run up to the season.
Which was part of camp for rookies and he didn't just look good, he looked great. I attended many of the scrimmages and thought he looked good most of that camp.
Regardless, there's no reason to label such a young player as notorious with regard to anything when looking at such small sample sizes. Just isn't necessary.
Which was part of camp for rookies and he didn't just look good, he looked great. I attended many of the scrimmages and thought he looked good most of that camp.
Regardless, there's no reason to label such a young player as notorious with regard to anything when looking at such small sample sizes. Just isn't necessary.
Difference of opinion there, but I'll leave it as such. There was a reason why in the yearly prospect rankings on here that he fell to the 30's that season. What has been the case unarguably is that he has been extremely bad for the first month + in Adirondack last year and hasn't been much better thus far this year (except in his brief relief appearances when the other team is just coasting to victory).
That does have to change. You can't have a goalie being as bad as all the Flames goalies have been in October every season.
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I watched him in July 2013 at the development camp and he was the worst of the goalies including the walk-ons. He was also terrible in the training camp. Yes, Berra was likely going to start in the AHL regardless, but his assignment to the ECHL was justified based on his play.
Development camp is not the beginning of the season. And a poor NHL camp does not equal a poor start to his AHL season which is what was claimed. Ortio has had 1 poor start to an AHL start, claiming his is a "notoriously slow starter in the AHL" is sensationalist bull####.
Difference of opinion there, but I'll leave it as such. There was a reason why in the yearly prospect rankings on here that he fell to the 30's that season.
Was he ever higher than that? That would likely be a product of most people being unfamiliar with him in general at that point.
The entire farm team was poor to start last season, and this year, he's barely played. I understand why that is, but it's almost a nonexistent sample size.
Still seems overzealous to label him a notoriously slow starter, and an odd point to fixate on with hyperbole.
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That does have to change. You can't have a goalie being as bad as all the Flames goalies have been in October every season.
I don't think anyone would disagree with this, but it really has nothing to do with generalizing claims that Ortio is notorious for slow starts to seasons.
I' thinking Micheal Neuvirth is the goalie in a bottle this year. Would really like it if the Flames could grab him or Steve Mason. Ship the other two vet goalies off to Siberia to work in the ice mines.
I was thinking that about Neuvirth too, I think he is a really good goalie. Maybe something to look at in the offseason if we let the other two walk.
DSP is a 25-30 pt middle 6 winger. Not trading Poirier for that unless MTL wants to add a lot.
That's not out of line with what a player drafted 22nd overall typically develops into. If the Flames are serious about getting bigger (and bigger in guys who actually see the ice, not 4th line plugs), they're going to have make this kind of deal. Other teams don't hand out big, young guys who can play like candy.
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I love smith pelley and I'd be pissed if we did that. Poirier can be a top 6 winger still. He needs to be consistent and shoot more. I'd like to keep him and see if he can be our Marchand.
He better not turn into Marchand. I don't really want any rats on the Flames.
Give me Gary Roberts. Why can't he be Gary Roberts? Judging by how he fights and scores, Gary seems like a much better comparison (or at least, the type of player we should be hoping for).
That's not out of line with what a player drafted 22nd overall typically develops into. If the Flames are serious about getting bigger (and bigger in guys who actually see the ice, not 4th line plugs), they're going to have make this kind of deal. Other teams don't hand out big, young guys who can play like candy.
Poirier has top six scoring upside. As Crumpy pointed out, the Flames don't make that trade unless they're sure he'll pan out to be a 3rd line winger that puts up 30 or less points a year. Just because he was taken at 22th OA doesn't mean he's relegated to becoming a bottom 6 NHLer, especially when the 2013 draft was very deep.
If you want a big body power forward that can play in the top six, DSP isn't what you want. He's a bottom 6 plug that can score occasionally and was traded for another similar guy of similar production (Sekac).
Someone like Simmonds is more in line with what you want, but he's probably going to cost an arm since those kinda guys don't grow on trees. And he's got that nice contract too so probably would be a leg as well.
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That's not out of line with what a player drafted 22nd overall typically develops into. If the Flames are serious about getting bigger (and bigger in guys who actually see the ice, not 4th line plugs), they're going to have make this kind of deal. Other teams don't hand out big, young guys who can play like candy.
Porier is not the forward we should trade for this type of player. Porier has edge to his game, to go along with size and speed. The higher upside makes it not close to worth it for the flames. DSP would struggle to play on our forward lines as it is right now
Porier is not the forward we should trade for this type of player. Porier has edge to his game, to go along with size and speed. The higher upside makes it not close to worth it for the flames. DSP would struggle to play on our forward lines as it is right now
He is doing fine playing with the best team in the league but would struggle to play with our lines?
How do you figure that?
Would he struggle more than Bollig or Raymond have? He is a better player than Jooris, Grant and likely Ferland as well.
He is doing fine playing with the best team in the league but would struggle to play with our lines?
How do you figure that?
Would he struggle more than Bollig or Raymond have? He is a better player than Jooris, Grant and likely Ferland as well.
Brandon Bollig played 82 games for the Hawks the year before he was traded to the Flames yet he was a healthy scratch numerous times playing for a much worse team.
DSP to me is not a top 6 winger. Our bottom 6 RW of Jones and Jooris are fine. I think Porier has a 25-30 goal upside so I don't see why we trade him for a guy that has 5 pts in 16 games this year
I'm thinking chiefly of Arnold and Shore, but you could make out a case for Agostino as well.
Arnold and Agostino haven't shown the same offensive ability at the lower levels that DSP has and don't bring close to the same size or physical play that DSP brings.
Drew Shore is older and has had a harder time cracking weaker rosters than DSP brings and again not close to the physical play that DSP brings.
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How is he an upgrade? What does he bring that the Flames' current roster players don't?
He brings size and toughness with the ability to play a regular shift and not hurt the team defensively. Treliving has constantly talked about getting heavier and DSP brings that. His AHL numbers compare favorably to all of our young guys in the AHL and none of them have that toughness.
He is at worst a Ferland equal with a lot more proven track record at the pro level. Not sure how that doesn't work in the Flames line-up.
