03-07-2024, 01:32 PM
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#28621
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chicago Native relocated to the stinking desert of Utah
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Hanifin? That one had shown up at cap friendly...
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03-07-2024, 01:32 PM
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#28622
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
And the late first probably won't be an NHLer...that is why you have to look at everything
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... the late 1st actually probably will be an NHL'er. Probably not an impact NHL'er... but the young player you get for same has even less of a chance to be an impact player.
Not saying there isn't a time and place to make that type of swap... but the Flames won't be in that time or place for 5ish years most likely. You make those deals when you're fully in your window not when you're building towards it.
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03-07-2024, 01:35 PM
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#28623
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Burning Beard
It's lucky that there are "rumors" about ownership meddling for posters to get heated about now that the "flames will never retain" and "flames won't sell the UFAs if they are fighting for a playoff spot" talking points are gone.
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You're crazy if you think evidence will change their biases. 
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03-07-2024, 01:36 PM
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#28624
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
I would be astonished if ten players in this draft have better careers than Tij Iginla.
You’re probably right about the value, but as an actual hockey player?
Tij has 43 goals in the Dub as a 17 year old.
Watch him - he looks like a faster, slimmer version of his dad out there. His edgework, the way he protects the puck, his stride, his shot - it’s all Iggy.
So if the argument is there are ten players better than Jarome Iginla in this draft, this is the greatest draft ever.
But I don’t think it is, and I don’t think there are.
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I do think he's a climber and we will see where he is in July. But if he's higher than the Flames' pick - say he's at 8 and the Flames are 10, what's the deal to be made? Who else is available at 10. I don't think the Flames have ever traded up and the only reason to do it is to grab a specific player. If they are looking at a group, they trade down.
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03-07-2024, 01:38 PM
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#28625
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
... the late 1st actually probably will be an NHL'er. Probably not an impact NHL'er... but the young player you get for same has even less of a chance to be an impact player.
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That’s not true. 63% of first round picks make it to 200 games and that’s heavily skewed towards the top half of the draft.
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03-07-2024, 01:42 PM
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#28626
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Franchise Player
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Gotta figure Vladar gets moved to a team looking for goaltending depth in the playoffs. Assuming The Flames keep Markstrom.
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03-07-2024, 01:45 PM
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#28627
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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I honestly find that "only x % of players picked at y did z" thing so tiring. You go through any past draft and you can probably find good NHLers in almost every single round ... you just need to get lucky. That's why you don' hand out draft picks like candy, but stockpile them and improve your chances of hitting.
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03-07-2024, 01:46 PM
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#28628
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2016
Exp: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trackercowe
Gotta figure Vladar gets moved to a team looking for goaltending depth in the playoffs. Assuming The Flames keep Markstrom.
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Philly just makes too much sense.
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03-07-2024, 01:46 PM
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#28629
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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I just want at least one of Markstrom or Vladar gone
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03-07-2024, 01:48 PM
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#28630
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by devo22
I honestly find that "only x % of players picked at y did z" thing so tiring. You go through any past draft and you can probably find impact NHLers in every single round ... you just need to get lucky. That's why you don' hand out draft picks like candy, but stockpile them and improve your chances of hitting.
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Yes, that’s why you need as many picks as possible but a late 1st round pick isn’t a probably on being a NHL player. If they can get the right player for a late 1st then it isn’t the end of the world if they still have a surplus.
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03-07-2024, 01:48 PM
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#28631
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FBI
I just want at least one of Markstrom or Vladar gone
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I’d keep both until the offseason or just trade Markstrom.
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03-07-2024, 01:49 PM
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#28632
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Bonded
That’s not true. 63% of first round picks make it to 200 games and that’s heavily skewed towards the top half of the draft.
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I took a look at the past 10 years and not a lot of 1st round picks have nothing next to their names in terms of NHL appearances.
Regardless... we don't need young guys right now who can fill out the bottom of the roster. We need young guys who can eventually fill out the top of the roster (and belong there) for years to come... we're almost definitely not going to get that in trade for a 1st round pick we might (probably won't, but might) get it from actually making the pick.
We need to make a play for greatness not just goodness.
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03-07-2024, 01:56 PM
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#28633
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First Line Centre
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I think Buchnevich would be such a smart pickup for Vegas. Would likely cost their 2025 first round pick but he has a year left on his deal. They still have their top 2 prospects to include in the trade as well. They have the cap space to make it work because… Vegas. He’s big, he’s fast and he scores goals. Would be a good pickup especially while Stone is out.
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03-07-2024, 01:59 PM
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#28634
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Have the Kings done anything yet?
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03-07-2024, 02:01 PM
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#28635
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
Have the Kings done anything yet?
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Kings have not.
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03-07-2024, 02:01 PM
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#28636
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trackercowe
Gotta figure Vladar gets moved to a team looking for goaltending depth in the playoffs. Assuming The Flames keep Markstrom.
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If there are no takers for Vladar, I’d be in favour of waiving him. The more important thing for the Flames to figure out at this point is what exactly they have with Wolf.
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03-07-2024, 02:03 PM
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#28637
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by howard_the_duck
If there are no takers for Vladar, I’d be in favour of waiving him. The more important thing for the Flames to figure out at this point is what exactly they have with Wolf.
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Why? Let them play out the season and revisit in the summer. Wolf will be in the nhl next year. And it sounds like markstrom could be gone to jersey in the summer anyways
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03-07-2024, 02:05 PM
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#28638
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howard_the_duck
If there are no takers for Vladar, I’d be in favour of waiving him. The more important thing for the Flames to figure out at this point is what exactly they have with Wolf.
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Nah. His play has not been worthy of demotion. It can wait until the offseason.
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03-07-2024, 02:05 PM
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#28639
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howard_the_duck
If there are no takers for Vladar, I’d be in favour of waiving him. The more important thing for the Flames to figure out at this point is what exactly they have with Wolf.
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Do you also only shop with $20s and “throw out” any of your change?
How about the Flames just call Wolf up and run with 3 goaltenders for a while instead of discarding any assets that they have.
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03-07-2024, 02:07 PM
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#28640
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calculoso
Do you also only shop with $20s and “throw out” any of your change?
How about the Flames just call Wolf up and run with 3 goaltenders for a while instead of discarding any assets that they have.
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That's worse. Three goaltenders is just bad mojo. I'm sure Wolf will be one of the two come next season.
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