CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? So before you had me as town but now you are suspicious of me because I hammered the Captain? I am sorry but I disagree with your earlier statement, if I was scum no matter what I had said earlier on there is no way in hell after losing the second in command I would bring the hammer down on my own Captain. I most certainly would not have listed bizaro as my number one suspect either. I am pretty damn frustrated at this point, I was worried about that hammer vote because if I was wrong about bizaro we were screwed but when I was right I was not only excited we got the Captain but I felt that would surely confirm me as town. Instead there is this crap.

Im not suspicious of you because of your hammer of Bizaro. Im saying that your hammer does not shed light on your allignment one way or another.

Im suspicious that you moved HG to scum from turned on what appeared to be based on my HG/MrKajz argument was staged.

And although I had starseed and you as town yesterday to due proper diligence i need to revisit both of you based on Bizaro's reveal. When i did this yesterday both you and starseed were cleared quite quickly in the process.

[Hockeyguy15]

Vote 5

Voted:
starseed (1): PE, Peanut, mrkajz, Squiggs, Diss
Bizaro (0): Diss,
mrkajz (3): starseed, HG, PE, Diss
PE (2): Bizaro, starseed, Squiggs, Squiggs, Bizaro
Oling (1): Peanut, Squiggs
Devo (6): starseed, Bizaro, PE, mrkajz
Puxlut (0): Squiggs

[Hockeyguy15]

Vote 6

Voted:
PE (0): Bizaro, Diss, peanut
Squiggs (0): starseed, PE, mrkajz, starseed
Oling (0): Squiggs
mrkajz (0): Diss, Squiggs,
Timbo (7): Diss, PE, Bizaro, mrkajz, peanut
Peanut (3): HG, Squiggs

[Hockeyguy15]

No point in doing vote 7 and 8 since we followed GGG.

[GGG]

Bizaro and Mrkajz never voted for each other

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

Bizaro and Mrkajz never voted for each other

And the only person to ever vote for Bizaro was Diss on day 5.

[GGG]

The only other person never to vote MrK is peanut

[Hockeyguy15]

Do you think they would they be so obvious to never vote one another? That's a pretty big red flag.

[Hockeyguy15]

Bizaro did the overtime vote against mrkajz, that's the only time they voted for each other.

[Hockeyguy15]

Day 2 Bizaro pulled his vote from Timbo before mrkajz voted for him, day 5 Bizaro also pulls his vote from Devo before mrkajz votes for him so they never had a vote on a person at the same time until day 6.

Everyone else has voted the same person as one of them at some point.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? So before you had me as town but now you are suspicious of me because I hammered the Captain? I am sorry but I disagree with your earlier statement, if I was scum no matter what I had said earlier on there is no way in hell after losing the second in command I would bring the hammer down on my own Captain. I most certainly would not have listed bizaro as my number one suspect either. I am pretty damn frustrated at this point, I was worried about that hammer vote because if I was wrong about bizaro we were screwed but when I was right I was not only excited we got the Captain but I felt that would surely confirm me as town. Instead there is this crap.

It's weird you would jump right to GGG being suspicious of you, when there's nothing he said that implicates you in this post. Why would this frustrate you, and why would you call it crap? You've had a few of these weird leaps in this game. At post 2725 you asked why you'd vote with GGG if you were a host. Well, it's too blend in. If the hosts only voted together, and the town only voted together, it'd be pretty easy to see who was who. Oling (turned scum) voted for mrk's lynch. So did PE (unknown) and you (unknown). You or PE could be scum. You've been going after PE for quite a while, so if you are right, then two scum voted for a fellow scum.

Of the five of us who voted to lynch biz, we are the exact same five people who voted to lynch mrk. The only difference is Oling, but he was night killed by GGG. That in itself it suspicious, but I'm not sure which way yet.

When mrk was lynched the people not voting for him were: Pux, bizaro86, Peanut, mrkajz44, starseed

When biz was lynched the people not voting for him were: Pux, bizaro86, starseed, Peanut

Taking out mrk and biz, the following people haven't voted for either of the confirmed hosts: Pux, Peanut, starseed

Pux is the Anomaly. Whether she's turned or not isn't of great concern to me, as we need to lynch the 3rd host to win, and are possibly at lynch or lose. So this leaves Peanut or starseed as the two who didn't vote for either host, and diss and PE as the two who did vote for both hosts. One of you four has to be the 3rd host. My guess right now is starseed, but I can also see it being dissentowner. HG and I both had him on our lists last time. I think it’s probable there is a host voting to lynch the two dead hosts. At this point in the game they just need one to hang in there, and wait for their win condition to occur. As town, we need to lynch the third host. The third host just needs to survive until there are 50% scum.

[squiggs96]

Is Pux still in the game? She's had 6 posts in the last week, and 4 of them were throw away posts. She hasn't checked in for Day 9 either. If she wanted to give some thoughts, more than two lines, it would be appreciated.

Sorry. Life is getting in the way this week. I can bow out and maybe you'll get a more involved player?

MY #1 for host is Peanut. Just looking at her voting history makes me think she's scum. Plus she hasn't been really vocal which I would think would be the way a first time player being drawn the bad guy card would play in fear of letting something slip.
The last lynch went quick and I missed it. And I wasn't given the spore.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

My guess right now is starseed, but I can also see it being dissentowner.

Great. So I helped vote off my second in command and then I hammered my Captain. This is so ridiculous and stupid I almost want to quit. The comments in the scum thread have got to be hilarious right now. I am torn between wanting to win the game and hoping you fools lynch me. Both HG and I had bizaro on our host list, both him and I had suspicions on the other, I hammer bizaro and he suddenly has more town cred? This game has become laughable, go ahead and lynch me please.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Great. So I helped vote off my second in command and then I hammered my Captain. This is so ridiculous and stupid I almost want to quit. The comments in the scum thread have got to be hilarious right now. I am torn between wanting to win the game and hoping you fools lynch me. Both HG and I had bizaro on our host list, both him and I had suspicions on the other, I hammer bizaro and he suddenly has more town cred? This game has become laughable, go ahead and lynch me please.

Settle down drama queen, and quit patting yourself on the back for lynching both. If you didn't vote to lynch mrk, Pux was still able to vote. Even if you didn't vote, and Pux didn't vote, and let's assume every other person didn't vote for biz, there were already enough votes on him to lynch.

If you didn't vote for biz, Pux was able to as well. There were also enough votes to deadline lynch. You voting to lynch had very little to do with the outcome there, yet you are proclaiming yourself a hero for this. You also voted to lynch Girly and Timbo. Should we say you were a huge part in those two as well?

You have HG as almost certainly host, from post 2756. I've had HG on my likely town list for a while. You have the opposite thought. Only one of us can be right. With bizaro dead, you have me as your top host suspect. Using your own logic, why would I hammer mrk, be the 2nd vote on biz, after I said they were my top two suspects if I was the third host?

Why would there be comments in the scum thread? With mrk and biz dead, there is only one host left. Why would they talk with themselves in it? How did the game become laughable once we lynched two hosts and killed a turned? Maybe try going through the thread and finding patterns or comments that could shed light on the third host instead of asking to be lynched.

[starseed]

Quick thoughts while reading through, PE and diss are probably the least likely to be the engineer. I get a feeling diss is turned, but didn't realize biz was the captain. Either way, I wouldn't target him with the vote. And you know this is not coming from a turned trying to protect the host!

I also have hg as very low likelihood of being the engineer.

Peanut is probably my highest suspect, but I'm going to look into whether or not I should have squiggs on my town list. I was sure before the biz flip, mind you.

The diss ultra offence right now is a little scummy and over the top, but I don't see how he aligns with biz/mrkaj

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by starseed

The diss ultra offence right now is a little scummy and over the top, but I don't see how he aligns with biz/mrkaj

It almost seems like he's trying to pull the attention onto himself to get us to lynch him. If he's turned, this isn't a terrible play on what he should be doing to help hide the host, confuse the town, and give the host more chances to get others turned. Although it's not the worst to lynch a turned, it doesn't get the town to win the game. It does give us some time, but we are getting down in scenarios.

If there is 1 host and 2 turned, and we lynch a turned, there would be 5 town against 1 host and 1 turned. Once the spore is passed there is the chance there is 4 town against 1 host and 2 turned. There's also the chance the spore wouldn't turn and then it would be 5 town against 1 host and 1 turned. That would be nice. This doesn't even include GGG killing someone at night, so there is the possibility we could start Day 10 with 5 town and 1 host and 0 turned. Obviously I'd prefer we end it today by lynching the third host.

The worst case scenario is we lynch a townie today. This would put us possibly at 4 town, 1 host and 2 turned. If the spore turns someone on night 9, the scum wins as they'd have 1 host, 3 turned and 3 town. If diss is town, instead of bemoaning that people have suspicions of him, he should start formulating some thoughts on who the last host is, why he/she is a host, and stop feeling sorry for himself. If he's scum, then continue on.

[dissentowner]

I have stated who I think is scum before. I think the best vote this time would be Peanut but what the hell do I know.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by starseed

OK, home now. Before I go over my line of reasoning on biz, I will update my list.

Town:
GGG/Pux and probably HG

PE has yet to chime in, but he must have had the spore and probably gave it to pux. I do not see how we didn't have 2 turned before today, unless a townie did not speak up about it? Or maybe a turned gave it to biz without knowing he was the captain? Either way, PE and biz do not really work as teammates I think.

Need more time to go over scenarios, but turned/host list is broken on my end. Haven't read all of today's posts, but my early picks for the two turned are amongst peanut, squiggs and diss, with the host probably also amongst them.

One of the reasons I had biz as town was that he was targeting a lot of players in the first four days. Townies GGG and Oling voted for 8 different players. Scum mrkaj voted for only 4 different players. Biz voted for 7 different players. I felt that the scum would not want to make waves and enemies of players by voting for too many of them. This was incorrect...

I did not have biz on my list of host at all. He was very low on the list. When seeing that every other player chose biz as their host choice, I saw red flags. Only peanut had not revealed her list (she didnt have time to post it before hammer). This meant that at least one scum had to have listed biz as one of their top scum choices. They may not know biz is the captain, or a host in general, but they do have more information than us in what the messages contain, so they must have a good idea by now.

Then having diss as the second host, with my top two scum suspects on HG/squiggs turned list had me freaking out. The hosts are exactly who the turned want the agent investigating. I was certain the biz/diss movement was scum backed. I was sure the late vote on mrkaj on day 4 was a mistake. In hindsight it was pretty obviously too convenient. I was also sure that his push on PE on day 4 was a townie move, and GGG and I later backed it up with a couple PE votes.

There was also a post from legoman about how biz had a very pro-town post in the first couple days related to how we should proceed with the Oling/Girly spore situation.

I was certain biz would flip town and we would lose. I was hoping GGG could come in and explain the quick biz vote and change his mind.

Now I know how Rathji felt in CPM2!

Starseed,
You haven't explained why you thought I must have had the spore last night.