Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

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[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

I don't know which of their (CPC) main campaign planks remain. I think that the Liberals have eaten their lunch on virtually every file, and if you go back to December 1, 2024, I'm not sure if anyone could've seen this coming.

Liberals today are pretty much CPC lite. They really have no resemblance to the party that was handing out GST holiday breaks on Dec 2024 and laughing at Canadians fortunes calling it a vibe-session.

Poilievre couldn't pivot when he needed to, and couldn't read the room that priorities changes significantly. Liberals pivoted and have taken over the radical centrist position in spades stealing Poilievre's thunder and without the social conservative stink. That's the CPC's loss. Maybe they should have thought of that before spending time on sites like justlikejustin.ca?

Reality though is that some within the Liberal camp are extremely upset with the pipeline deal (seemingly Trudeau loyalists and environmentalists). Carney has certainly shifted the party's fortunes for the better in his pragmatism but will his party revolt? There are a number of ideologists still within the party.

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/11/27/...l-say-sources/

https://globalnews.ca/news/11545597/...pipeline-deal/

Also of note, Jenni Byrne is now out, but she should have never been in.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11541366/...paign-manager/

Replaced by...Danielle Smith and Blaine Higgs's campaign manager? Good grief.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

I don't know which of their (CPC) main campaign planks remain. I think that the Liberals have eaten their lunch on virtually every file, and if you go back to December 1, 2024, I'm not sure if anyone could've seen this coming.

Sure if you are super worried about team or party politics.

But seeing a federal government encouraging proper development of our resources in Canada, slapping down Eby whining, a stable and welcoming regulatory environment for business and prosperity for Canadians, it's all just a good thing regardless.

It just took a decade of stupidity to maybe start turning the ship around. I'm happy that the opposition party pushed a governing party to give their head a shake. Fairly ambivalent to which party label gets slapped on whichever one. Though there are still other files that can be changed to better serve our country.

Now let's see some action from here.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

Is it though? Or is Carney putting the agreement out there knowing full well that the NDP/Eby and some First Nations will absolutely oppose the hell out of a pipeline so nothing will actually get built? Maybe something about useful idiots? I think Carney's playing with house money.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Liberals today are pretty much CPC lite. They really have no resemblance to the party that was handing out GST holiday breaks on Dec 2024 and laughing at Canadians fortunes calling it a vibe-session.

Poilievre couldn't pivot when he needed to, and couldn't read the room that priorities changes significantly. Liberals pivoted and have taken over the radical centrist position in spades stealing Poilievre's thunder and without the social conservative stink. That's the CPC's loss. Maybe they should have thought of that before spending time on sites like justlikejustin.ca?

Reality though is that some within the Liberal camp are extremely upset with the pipeline deal (seemingly Trudeau loyalists and environmentalists). Carney has certainly shifted the party's fortunes for the better in his pragmatism but will his party revolt? There are a number of ideologists still within the party.

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/11/27/...l-say-sources/

https://globalnews.ca/news/11545597/...pipeline-deal/

Also of note, Jenni Byrne is now out, but she should have never been in.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11541366/...paign-manager/

Replaced by...Danielle Smith and Blaine Higgs's campaign manager? Good grief.

Well, the federal Liberals are ruthless in the sense that, although some Trudeau loyalists are not particularly happy, they like winning, just like in sports; winning cures all.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

I don't know which of their (CPC) main campaign planks remain. I think that the Liberals have eaten their lunch on virtually every file, and if you go back to December 1, 2024, I'm not sure if anyone could've seen this coming.

Well election isn’t soon, and Alberta has been promised lots and not delivered. So while step in right direction, its going to take a large next step, shovels in ground to full defang the CPC.

I welcome today, but very much doubt Canada is open for business to the investors that matter. Trudeau Liberals deep sixed this country with their foolishness and it won’t turn quick.

I think its going to take Canada building another line and or indemnifying industry to the hilt. Likely the former. Doubtful the big midstreams touch this when they can derisk by basically doing anything else anywhere else

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Well election isn’t soon, and Alberta has been promised lots and not delivered. So while step in right direction, its going to take a large next step, shovels in ground to full defang the CPC.

I welcome today, but very much doubt Canada is open for business to the investors that matter. Trudeau Liberals deep sixed this country with their foolishness and it won’t turn quick.

I think its going to take Canada building another line and or indemnifying industry to the hilt. Likely the former. Doubtful the big midstreams touch this when they can derisk by basically doing anything else anywhere else

If only someone at some point had thought about building pipelines across Canada allowing us to provide oil across the country in a way that would have benefitted everyone.

Alberta, never not crying.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

I don't know which of their (CPC) main campaign planks remain. I think that the Liberals have eaten their lunch on virtually every file, and if you go back to December 1, 2024, I'm not sure if anyone could've seen this coming.

Shifting the blame for why pipelines can’t happen to BC and FN groups is a smart political move for sure by Carney.

If you forget that the feds are the ones that can push whatever they want through at the end of the day.

When Eby and FN say no to this I look forward to more comments on CP about how this all makes sense.

I’ll believe it when shovels are in the ground but we are light years from that.

Again how the gov has acted on this file is literally all you need to know about how much of a threat the USA annexing us is (zero).

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

If only someone at some point had thought about building pipelines across Canada allowing us to provide oil across the country in a way that would have benefitted everyone.

Alberta, never not crying.

And yet maybe there’s a reason for the crying… just maybe…

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

If only someone at some point had thought about building pipelines across Canada allowing us to provide oil across the country in a way that would have benefitted everyone.

Alberta, never not crying.

Take a honest moment to reflect and try and understand why Alberta feels the way it does.

Is it because we a genetically pre disposed to complain?
Are we ungrateful lot who lucked into mass wealth?
Are we bigots who hate everyone that isn’t us?

Or are there other reasons? Maybe valid reasons, for feeling the way Albertans do?

It shows a great lack of empathic understanding to plug ears and say your just complaining. One afforded to other areas of the world but not our own. Its baffling, but understandable as the last 10 years have been conditioning to villianize anything that did not push the Liberal’s plan forward.

In short, I challenge you to think for yourself. You might be surprised.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Slava

Just reading through this pipeline deal/MOU between Alberta and Canada, and this has to be an absolute dagger for Poilievre and the CPC. All the talk of "the Liberals are against the oil and gas industry," or similar sentiments, is just gone. The Liberals even made comments on the tanker ban, which must be crushing for the CPC.

I don't know which of their (CPC) main campaign planks remain. I think that the Liberals have eaten their lunch on virtually every file, and if you go back to December 1, 2024, I'm not sure if anyone could've seen this coming.

It is an interesting shift when you think about it.

Back in 2015, the Liberals shifted left to "out left" the NDP while the NDP was trying to shift right and replace the Liberals, but then the Liberals ate the NDP's lunch and formed government.
Now in 2025, the Liberals are shifting right to the CPC, are eating their lunch, and are still the government... but it is a very different government even though it is the same party.

The same party, within a decade, managed to fend off advances from both sides. The only thing that really seems consistent is how corporatist the Libs are. Left/Right doesn't really matter to them.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Sure if you are super worried about team or party politics.

But seeing a federal government encouraging proper development of our resources in Canada, slapping down Eby whining, a stable and welcoming regulatory environment for business and prosperity for Canadians, it's all just a good thing regardless.

It just took a decade of stupidity to maybe start turning the ship around. I'm happy that the opposition party pushed a governing party to give their head a shake. Fairly ambivalent to which party label gets slapped on whichever one. Though there are still other files that can be changed to better serve our country.

Now let's see some action from here.

Some here genuinely want to narrate that people railing on Trudeau and his disastrous corrupt government was partisan driven, when it never was for most. Trudeau is who largely made it partisan and divided the country to what it became with an us versus them mentality. Singh and Poilievre also did this. Only Poilievre is left out of the 3 and he's looking like a pariah right now.

Now that we have an adult in the room working on economical issues rather than virtue signaling or ideology, notice how much calmer this thread is? Yet almost all of the decisions and budget planning has been shifting centre to right leaning.

All the divisive issues are effectively gone. Carbon tax was killed on day one. Anyone unhappy from the right about Carney at this point would only be partisan or a maple MAGA grifter considering he effectively has addressed pretty much all contentious issues effectively within a matter of months. A new pipeline deal is in place. The tanker ban is likely to see a revision. Heck even the gun buyback is being reviewed.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...90d79cf6d.html

I'm happy. I'm curious about the folks who were defending Trudeau-Singh consistently over the years and gaslight folks if they have reservations about the current direction, considering many of these were CPC driven platform promises now adopted by Carney / Liberals.

Compare this poll to 2016 and overall pipeline support / opposition hasn't really changed.

https://leger360.com/in-the-news-per...ent-in-canada/

https://abacusdata.ca/pipeline-politics-in-2016/

2016

More than twice as many (68%) took the alternative view, that “Canada should build new pipeline capacity and use our oil resources but also invest in renewable energy and ways to reduce the amount of emissions the country produces”.

Unfortunately, Canadians were being held hostaqe by activists for a decade that were put into much higher positions then they deserved and we took a self-imposed backseat in LNG and oil distribution that we are now scrambling to focus back in on.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Take a honest moment to reflect and try and understand why Alberta feels the way it does.

Is it because we a genetically pre disposed to complain?
Are we ungrateful lot who lucked into mass wealth?
Are we bigots who hate everyone that isn’t us?

Or are there other reasons? Maybe valid reasons, for feeling the way Albertans do?

It shows a great lack of empathic understanding to plug ears and say your just complaining. One afforded to other areas of the world but not our own. Its baffling, but understandable as the last 10 years have been conditioning to villianize anything that did not push the Liberal’s plan forward.

In short, I challenge you to think for yourself. You might be surprised.

This is a little too ironic to not be satire.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Left/Right doesn't really matter to them.

And it never has. They move with the electorate while usually remaining socially progressive. There's a reason they're the natural ruling party of Canada.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Or are there other reasons? Maybe valid reasons, for feeling the way Albertans do?

Alberta is Quebec west. A once powerful province that, through poor foresight and planning, quickly moves towards irrelevancy relying on the past to justify their future. They're a province that expects every federal decision to kowtow to their whims. As a province, Alberta will constantly bite the hand that feeds them while rewarding people who do absolutely nothing for them solely because they represent the Alberta Electorate's socially regressive thinking.


Carney is currently at the first stage for a new Liberal PM in their first term. Trying to placate Alberta to make inroads and make the majority math even more impossible for the CPC/Reform. When Alberta spits in his face and is a solid block of blue next election he, like everyone before him, will realize as long as he doesn't try and move us back to the 1950s it will not matter how much he does for Alberta. They won't vote for him, so he'll drop Alberta like the abusive toxic partner that they are and focus on every other province and once again stay in power. Alberta will bitch and moan, still unable figure out why they never matter federally despite their incessant whining and insistence that they should be. When you will predictably vote one way no matter what, even though the party you vote for has never done a damn thing for you once they won, you lose any real negotiating power.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Take a honest moment to reflect and try and understand why Alberta feels the way it does.

Is it because we a genetically pre disposed to complain?
Are we ungrateful lot who lucked into mass wealth?
Are we bigots who hate everyone that isn’t us?

Or are there other reasons? Maybe valid reasons, for feeling the way Albertans do?

It shows a great lack of empathic understanding to plug ears and say your just complaining. One afforded to other areas of the world but not our own. Its baffling, but understandable as the last 10 years have been conditioning to villianize anything that did not push the Liberal’s plan forward.

In short, I challenge you to think for yourself. You might be surprised.

I'm sure certain Albertan's and associated industries have reasons for complaining or wanting better. Some of it may even be justified.

It's the constant whinging like a collection of hive-minded toddlers about every...little...f###ing...thing while taking precisely zero accountability and blaming Ottawa and the Liberals any time they stub their toes.

It's exhausting, and I think a lot of people have run out of the energy required to stretch undeserved empathy that god damned wide.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And yet maybe there’s a reason for the crying… just maybe…

There isn't. We are as much to blame as anyone.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Take a honest moment to reflect and try and understand why Alberta feels the way it does.

Is it because we a genetically pre disposed to complain?
Are we ungrateful lot who lucked into mass wealth?
Are we bigots who hate everyone that isn’t us?

Or are there other reasons? Maybe valid reasons, for feeling the way Albertans do?

It shows a great lack of empathic understanding to plug ears and say your just complaining. One afforded to other areas of the world but not our own. Its baffling, but understandable as the last 10 years have been conditioning to villianize anything that did not push the Liberal’s plan forward.

In short, I challenge you to think for yourself. You might be surprised.

Well as someone who's family moved to Fort McMurray in the late 70s, (that's where I was born and grew up), I've heard it all my entire life. We are as much to blame for the things we are complaining about as anyone, and the fact that the crying from this province has never for one second stopped in my lifetime is exhausting.

I challenge you to get off facebook and think about what's occurred, and how Alberta has handled trying to cooperate with different governments. Smith literally just agreed to more carbon taxes and carbon capture, things she was screaming about years ago. Maybe if she had acted like an adult, this stuff would already be done. Maybe not, but at least we could say we put a good foot forward.

To answer your questions.

Yes Alberta is ungrateful.
I don't think Alberta is full of bigots, but we certainly have a chip on our shoulder walking around like we work harder than everyone else. I've heard it my entire life. Here's a little tip, welders in Alberta don't work harder than welders in New Brunswick, they are just paid more.

If you run into jerks in the morning, you ran into a jerk. If you run into jerks all day, you're the jerk.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

There isn't. We are as much to blame as anyone.

Not a chance

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Not a chance

You're right everyone is out to get Alberta, everyone else is a jerk.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

You're right everyone is out to get Alberta, everyone else is a jerk.

No not at all, I don’t think the country does these things intentionally. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t do it. Also yes it is possible to meet jerks all day despite you not being a jerk, very much so but that’s a weird disconnected analogy that doesn’t make much sense or align.

Can you please let me know though if other provinces have actively blocked, or the federal government has legislation or policy prohibiting economic growth in any of the following provinces or territories?

- forestry, mining, tv and film or tourism in BC?
- potash mining, uranium or agriculture in SK?
- hydroelectric or manufacturing in Manitoba?
- the automotive or financial sectors in ON?
- hydroelectric, forestry, aerospace, pharmaceuticals in QC? Dairy in QC?
- oil refining or forestry in NB?
- shipbuilding, fisheries, tourism or marine R&D in NS?
- agriculture or fish industries in PEI?
- oil and gas, fisheries or mining in Newfoundland?
- mining in the territories?

Just trying to find an analog?