2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It should. Whether you want them to bottom out or not we should all want good asset management.

I'm not saying give him away for free but if someone gives you a decent asset then dont get greedy.

I would take a 1st for him.


It hurts but this team really needs to focus on getting a top 10 pick next year (and hopefully this year). That should be their primary goal, even if they don't want to vocalize it.

[FusionX]

Well, let's hope and pray some of the other gifs were pertaining to surprise trades we aren't expecting. At this point, I'd be down even for just Mercer 1 for 1 with Markstrom but the cards just don't seem there.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It should. Whether you want them to bottom out or not we should all want good asset management.

Getting back $6M cap space for 2 years is already good asset management if Flames do what Habs did in that Monahan trade.

[getoverit]

Seems like a pipe dream after what we are experiencing ugh

Originally Posted by FusionX

Well, let's hope and pray some of the other gifs were pertaining to surprise trades we aren't expecting. At this point, I'd be down even for just Mercer 1 for 1 with Markstrom but the cards just don't seem there.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

I'm not saying give him away for free but if someone gives you a decent asset then dont get greedy.

I would take a 1st for him.


It hurts but this team really needs to focus on getting a top 10 pick next year (and hopefully this year). That should be their primary goal, even if they don't want to vocalize it.

You would but Conroy wants more than that for two seasons. Especially if it involves retention.

If they get a top 10 pick they get a top 10 pick. But I doubt Conroy will and shouldn't base his moves next season on a mistake Treliving made.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Getting back $6M cap space for 2 years is already good asset management if Flames do what Habs did in that Monahan trade.

Regardless of cap space you still don't give up assets for less than they're worth. That's not good asset management.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Inferno

You would but Conroy wants more than that for two seasons. Especially if it involves retention.

If they get a top 10 pick they get a top 10 pick. But I doubt Conroy will and shouldn't base his moves next season on a mistake Treliving made.

It's a decision based on the current state this team is in. Whose mistake it was doesn't matter. A re-whatevering club loosing a 11-15 pick is a huge blow.

Riding Markstrom on a re-whatevering club until he is valueless could also be a huge blow.

If there's a decent market for him, then make the move.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Regardless of cap space you still don't give up assets for less than they're worth. That's not good asset management.

The market dictates what they're worth. As seen by our recent trades.

You can assign whatever value you want to them but if no Ines buying at that value then it's meaningless.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Markstrom. Ideally for Mercer.

Maybe Mangiapane if there is a good offer for his services.

In the off-season see if there is a market for Kadri. His recent play has won me over as a fan and if we can get a good hockey trade to send him to a competitive team then that would be a win/win.

Backlund, as a fan I would like to cheer him on in chasing a cup.

Seems as if Mercer has been the Flames target all along but Jersey refuses to move him. After what we saw today, I feel like expectations need to be lowered as teams don’t seem to want to part with highly coveted young players. Considering where Markstrom was last year, getting a first with conditions and a lower level prospect seems reasonable. Hope I’m wrong.

[DropIt]

How are we talking about Mercer?

At this point i expect a conditional 2nd and Nikita Okhotyuk

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Regardless of cap space you still don't give up assets for less than they're worth. That's not good asset management.

worth=what someone is willing to pay

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's a decision based on the current state this team is in. Whose mistake it was doesn't matter. A re-whatevering club loosing a 11-15 pick is a huge blow.

Riding Markstrom on a re-whatevering club until he is valueless could also be a huge blow.

If there's a decent market for him, then make the move.

Do you really think if the team surprises next season and finds themselves in a position where they could sneak in he's going to go "Oh ####, we might lose our first rounder. I better gut the team"?

I'm not against moving Markstrom. But he shouldn't be looking get rid of him ASAP because of what the last GM did. Make the deal when you think it's worth it.

[dammage79]

There's a space behind Guentzel that Mangiapane can fill for trade seekers needing a winger. Detroit, Carolina plus a bunch more looking for wing.

There's deals to be made.


EDIT: on the Markstrom front, they don't have to move him but I imagine the windows wide open for that NTC to waive for many teams now. Whatever enticed Markstrom to sign here is now exclusively gone save 5 players. Mang, Coleman, Andersson, Shilly and Backs.

If I was Markstrom I'd be really inspired to find a better situation now.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Regardless of cap space you still don't give up assets for less than they're worth. That's not good asset management.

At this point, if Conny can move Maekstrom with no retention for a second and whatever, it'll be a win going forward. NJD is not giving up their top prospects for an aging goalie with 2 more years at $6M cap hit. You're just setting yourself up for a huge disappointment again iwhen the last 2 trades are already underwhelming.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Do you really think if the team surprises next season and finds themselves in a position where they could sneak in he's going to go "Oh ####, we might lose our first rounder. I better gut the team"?

I'm not against moving Markstrom. But he shouldn't be looking get rid of him ASAP because of what the last GM did. Make the deal when you think it's worth it.

No they won't, which is why they need to move Markstrom before the beginning of next season.

If they keep Markstrom they will probably find themselves in the same position they're currently in, sitting 117-22. It will be year 3 of missing playoffs and picking in the mid-teens. What a disaster that would be.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

The market dictates what they're worth. As seen by our recent trades.

You can assign whatever value you want to them but if no Ines buying at that value then it's meaningless.

And the market changes.

In Markstrom's case Conroy doesn't have to settle right now for less than what he thinks he's worth. With Tanev and Hanifin he eventually had to settle for the best he could get or lose them for nothing.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by traptor

If they keep Markstrom they will probably find themselves in the same position they're currently in, sitting 117-22. It will be year 3 of missing playoffs and picking in the mid-teens. What a disaster that would be.

So far there has been exactly one year of missing the playoffs and picking mid-teens. You're making a mighty big jump to reach the conclusion that it will be three.

Based on today's standings, the Flames are 12th last in points with tiebreakers, and 11th last in point percentage. With Hanifin and Tanev gone, and possibly more, they're only going downhill from here.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a top-10 draft pick this year and next. And I don't think Conroy is going to bollix that by going after a wild-card spot. He had that chance this year and didn't take it.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

No they won't, which is why they need to move Markstrom before the beginning of next season.

If they keep Markstrom they will probably find themselves in the same position they're currently in, sitting 117-22. It will be year 3 of missing playoffs and picking in the mid-teens. What a disaster that would be.

What if Vladar and Wolf ended up holding the fort and the team ended up exceeding expectations and sneaking in? We don't know yet how the team will look. I doubt Conroy is just going to plug holes with just Wranglers if he doesn't think they're ready.

You can say its' going to take atleast 3 years to get back in but maybe it won't.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Inferno

What if Vladar and Wolf ended up holding the fort and the team ended up exceeding expectations and sneaking in? We don't know yet how the team will look. I doubt Conroy is just going to plug holes with just Wranglers if he doesn't think they're ready.

You can say its' going to take atleast 3 years to get back in but maybe it won't.

Quite the what if there fella…

And if not from (a very successful) ahl team, where would you suggest confit finds guys who’ve “earned it”?

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a top-10 draft pick this year and next. And I don't think Conroy is going to bollix that by going after a wild-card spot. He had that chance this year and didn't take it.

Even if they've thrown in the towel on this year (and the next day or so may give insight into that, don't be so sure they have), this team will be built and centered around trying to make the playoffs next year, and it will be more then just paying lip service to it/saying all the right things in the media and to the fans in the offseason.

This season was going to be a purge, and I think the whole organization bought into that for the first time in a while. Excellent play by Markstrom and some good line combos and the odd surprise kept the Flames in it (and October wasnt as bad as it was, things would be different). Edwards halting extension talk at the end of Oct really cleared the mindset for who was staying and who wasn't.

Next year though, it will be a bit different organizational philosophy, and it's not a lack of patience or panic for this year not turning out, but I think it's upwards and onwards mentality towards building to something, quicker than most would think with players who yes, have to make the next step in some ways, but also enough chance to have a winning culture around them.

Now, building for playoffs next year can be achieved in a few ways, but it won't be based on wild hope for 5-6 vets a few prospects and a rag tag collection of AHLers to pull together, as you'll have all the ones who soured last year (well, almost all) out the door and a team that's all pulling in the same direction, hopefully.

IMO, some of the draft capital acquired this year will be utilized in the offseason or during the season, to the chagrin on more than a few here.