2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

When someone says so-and-so is a top 10 to top 15 player in the league or anything, I don't know why you guys would bring up contract situations. That doesn't affect their on ice abilities.

There's clearly at least 10 players ahead of him when it comes to actually lacing up the skates and playing the game, there's a second tier of players who could all make cases to be in those next 5 or so spots, Tkachuk included, but no room to argue top 10. If so, post your top 10s.

No, there aren't.

Perhaps you could argue that he's only a top-10 forward, but I stand by it. There are a number of players on that list that are not as good as Tkachuk.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No, there aren't.

Perhaps you could argue that he's only a top-10 forward, but I stand by it. There are a number of players on that list that are not as good as Tkachuk.

Then post your top 10?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Then post your top 10?

Why does it feel that someone posting their top 10 would just be an invitation for you to argue about a guy they left out being better than Tkachuk?

[OptimalTates]

I really don't know why people are bringing up value. That wasn't the post. It was top 10 player (to top 15) in today's NHL. Contracts, age, none of that matters for that statement.

Does Tkachuk signed at 8 years for 6M make him a top 10 player in the league but at 15M make him a bottom tier player in the league? It changes his value, sure, but not where he ranks in terms of actual on ice play today.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Then post your top 10?

Sure.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Makar, McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Gaudreau, Matthews, Kucherov, Hedman, Barkov, Crosby. Don't see how he's top 10 at all. Can't argue he's ahead of any of those guys.

Ovechkin, Bergeron, Kaprizov, Stamkos, Huberdeau, Marner, Josi, Panarin, McAvoy, Fox, Ekblad, the goalies. Lots of rooms for a list of 15 players that wouldn't include Tkachuk.

In no specific order:

Mackinnon
Makar
McDavid
Draisaitl
Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Matthews
Josi
Fox
Kaprizov

I have made the argument that he is better than some of the ones in your top-10. I'd argue that Patrick Kane (actually he should definitely be on there - how he did what he did with that Blackhawks team...) should probably be on that list as well, but I'd be putting him ahead of Kaprizov and possibly Josi.

Tkachuk: 8th in league scoring, 4th in Points/60 mins, 4th in Even-Strength Points/60 mins

If we open to the top-15, it's a very difficult argument in my eyes that he's not one of those 15.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why does it feel that someone posting their top 10 would just be an invitation for you to argue about a guy they left out being better than Tkachuk?

That's usually how discussions go, yes. I posted 10 players I believe are clearly better, someone wants to claim he's better than Gaudreau or Crosby, or whoever else they omit from their top 10 list would likely prompt some discussion. I don't see the harm.

Patrick Kane is the best player in the league. No one refute that statement or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

So what's your top 10 players in today's NHL list?

Which of Makar, McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Gaudreau, Matthews, Kucherov, Hedman, Barkov and Crosby do you not have?

For the next 8 years (which is what a team is trading for) i would rather have Tkachuk than Crosby or Gaudreau on that list. Kucherov would be a toss up.

[Sutter_in_law]

Came for rumours, found page upon page of bickering over semantics that no one else cares about.

God I love this place!

[sa226]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What's the point? Don't need the cap now

So we can watch Treliving throw obscene amounts of money at middling, old UFAs

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Sure.



In no specific order:

Mackinnon
Makar
McDavid
Draisaitl
Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Matthews
Josi
Fox
Kaprizov

Crosby was on pace for another 100 point season (99 technically) and is clearly better defensively. Lowkey (only compared to Tkachuck) gets under people's skins too, but maybe not quite as much as Tkachuk at their "prime dickhead" modes. Players also voted him best all around player, again.

Barkov putting up a crazy pace with Selke level defensive abilities.

Kucherov on pace for 120 points and puts up 27 points in 23 games in the playoffs.

Hedman just a complete beast three playoffs in a row. Makar outclassed him, somehow, but that's because Makar is on another level compared to everyone.

Matthews with the first unofficial 50 in 50 this generation.

I'll disagree, but I appreciate actually engaging in discussion. It's also clear you put more weight on offense than defense than I do and similarly I put more weight on playoff performance. I at least assume since Josi and Fox over Hedman. But in that case, I would have expected Matthews over Tkachuk.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

That's usually how discussions go, yes. I posted 10 players I believe are clearly better, someone wants to claim he's better than Gaudreau or Crosby, or whoever else they omit from their top 10 list would likely prompt some discussion. I don't see the harm.

Patrick Kane is the best player in the league. No one refute that statement or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing!

Discussions are usually discussions, not some semantics nerd citing “consensus” and telling everyone else his list of top 10 hockey players is the correct one because of it.

It’s ok for a discussion to involve calling Tkachuk a top 10 player and not being forced to name the nine others. As you’ve seen, there are different factors at play, including age, playing style, contract, etc. If you write everything but your own limited criteria off, you end up having to defend signing Ovechkin for 8 years over Tkachuk just because Ovechkin scores 50 “in today’s NHL.”

It’s not about arguing for the sake of arguing, it’s about not structuring your arguments in such a limited way that ends up with you demanding the same thing from everyone who tries to enter the discussion, instead of just letting it flow naturally.

“What’s your top 10? What about your top 10? That’s not technically part of the top 10! Wait that’s a different kind of qualifier for a top 10 that my top 10 didn’t consider so it doesn’t count!” My guy… relax. Nobody but you cares as much about your definition of top 10 as you do, I promise. The rest of us just like reading or shooting the #### about it.

[OptimalTates]

I bet the people, outside of ComixZone, saying that Tkachuk is better at the game of hockey over at least one of Makar, McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Gaudreau, Matthews, Kucherov, Hedman, Barkov, Crosby will not be saying that by August 11th lol

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I bet the people, outside of ComixZone, saying that Tkachuk is better at the game of hockey over at least one of Makar, McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Gaudreau, Matthews, Kucherov, Hedman, Barkov, Crosby will not be saying that by August 11th lol

He's not better then any of those guys. You could also argue, P. Kane, Pastrnak, Kaprizov and Marner as all better also.

Hubereau also.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I bet the people, outside of ComixZone, saying that Tkachuk is better at the game of hockey over at least one of Makar, McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Gaudreau, Matthews, Kucherov, Hedman, Barkov, Crosby will not be saying that by August 11th lol

I will keep saying it. I would rather have a 29 year old Tkachuk in 2027 than a 40 year old Crosby. You are trading for the next 9 years. In 9 years, Sid will be 44. He will be better than Gaudreau over the next 9 years. You are not trading for one year (who is the top 10 next year). Even then I would rather have him than Johnny and probably rather have him than Sid next year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I'll disagree, but I appreciate actually engaging in discussion. It's also clear you put more weight on offense than defense than I do and similarly I put more weight on playoff performance. I at least assume since Josi and Fox over Hedman. But in that case, I would have expected Matthews over Tkachuk.

I feel like you underestimate Chucky's effectiveness defensively a bit, but yeah - actual nuts and bolts hockey talk is fun! I'd say I was definitely pushing it with the top-10 comment, but I think he is top-15 for sure.

It is absolutely wild though that we're losing two top-15 (or close to two top-15 players haha) in one off-season. That's pure madness! What a wild turn for an organization. I'm here for it though, as change is good and fun. I always found it hard to believe that this team as it was would ever be as good as it was last season - as so many players had career years and we still came up short.

Bring on the next era!

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I will keep saying it. I would rather have a 29 year old Tkachuk in 2027 than a 40 year old Crosby. You are trading for the next 9 years. In 9 years, Sid will be 44. He will be better than Gaudreau over the next 9 years. You are not trading for one year (who is the top 10 next year). Even then I would rather have him than Johnny and probably rather have him than Sid next year.

And I get that, and I haven't argued against it.

But me and ComixZone appear to be consistent in talking talking about on-ice ability this year. Not contracts or age, but who's the best hockey players today. Not 9 years from now.

I would say out of the list of ten though that Gaudreau would be the most likely to slip out if I actually thought about making a ranked list. Tkachuk I don't see entering it though. One more year of 100 points while being the driver of his line, absolutely he enters the conversation, but I'd have to see him away from the best line in hockey first.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Came for rumours, found page upon page of bickering over semantics that no one else cares about.

God I love this place!

I wouldn't say no one else cares about the semantics. The vast majority of people don't, but a few do.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk has never been so highly rated on CP for some odd reason

What happened to "he can't skate?"

Can't argue with this year's stats but that isn't the norm for his career IMO. Also he has been a bum in the playoffs which is surprising considering his style.

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder if Monahan would be on the block. Rags lost Strome but gained Trochek, but still need another C. They still have tons of young assets.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I wonder if Monahan would be on the block. Rags lost Strome but gained Trochek, but still need another C. They still have tons of young assets.

I'm sure he's on the block. I doubt anyone is pitching much for him at this point though, and probably nothing of actual value given his circumstances.

Given the situation, unless there is some team willing to gamble, I'd imagine that they keep Monahan, see how he looks like after surgery and hope he regains some value (or alternatively re-sign him if he bounces back at all).