Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I would say launching rockets from atop an apartment building filled with civilians is using Humans Shields.

Thank you for acknowledging that the British army by building their heavily fortified observation posts at the top of civilian apartment blocks were using human shields.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I don't understand the point you are trying to make, are you saying no one should bring up Israeli war crimes since it's a given that's what it does?

You can bring it up all you want if it makes you happy, but understand no one cares, bringing it up won't stop anything

Nothing will change for Gazans, for Arabs in the region at all until you/they stop blaming Israel and start blaming Hamas, Iran, Syria, Saudi

Now this equally applies to Israel, nothing will change in Israel until Naga and Behanio and their people hold the Israeli Government to account for their dumb actions, the difference is Israel are winning, on the whole Israelis don't suffer the losses Palestinians do and never will

Israel is never going to care what Arabs think but they do care what Jews think, Hamas don't care what Jews think but they do kind of care what Arabs think, if you actually want change you have to call to account the people that do care what you think, that aint Israel

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Thank you for acknowledging that the British army by building their heavily fortified observation posts at the top of civilian apartment blocks were using human shields.

I would agree with the caveat that no one was launching rockets that much either way in the Bogside, civilian deaths by the Provo's and the Army where mostly accidental, the UDA etc on the other hand were animals and seemed happy to kill any catholic they could find

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You can bring it up all you want if it makes you happy, but understand no one cares, bringing it up won't stop anything

Nothing will change for Gazans, for Arabs in the region at all until you/they stop blaming Israel and start blaming Hamas, Iran, Syria, Saudi

Now this equally applies to Israel, nothing will change in Israel until Naga and Behanio and their people hold the Israeli Government to account for their dumb actions, the difference is Israel are winning, on the whole Israelis don't suffer the losses Palestinians do and never will

Israel is never going to care what Arabs think but they do care what Jews think, Hamas don't care what Jews think but they do kind of care what Arabs think, if you actually want change you have to call to account the people that do care what you think, that aint Israel

They also care what American's think because if the US government gets enough pressure from its people, it could reduce military aid and support to Israel. Egypt has a vastly larger military than Israel, and things would get interesting if the US were to ever reduce their support.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Leondros

They also care what American's think because if the US government gets enough pressure from its people, it could reduce military aid and support to Israel. Egypt has a vastly larger military than Israel, and things would get interesting if the US were to ever reduce their support.

I don’t think U.S. military aid to Israel is decisive. It would hurt Egypt more if the U.S. pulled its military support for them.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Thank you for acknowledging that the British army by building their heavily fortified observation posts at the top of civilian apartment blocks were using human shields.

Thanks for referencing another conflict that had #######s on both sides

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You can bring it up all you want if it makes you happy, but understand no one cares, bringing it up won't stop anything

Nothing will change for Gazans, for Arabs in the region at all until you/they stop blaming Israel and start blaming Hamas, Iran, Syria, Saudi

Now this equally applies to Israel, nothing will change in Israel until Naga and Behanio and their people hold the Israeli Government to account for their dumb actions, the difference is Israel are winning, on the whole Israelis don't suffer the losses Palestinians do and never will

Israel is never going to care what Arabs think but they do care what Jews think, Hamas don't care what Jews think but they do kind of care what Arabs think, if you actually want change you have to call to account the people that do care what you think, that aint Israel

I mean, I am under no illusion that what I say matters at all and I am sure most even here disagree with what i say and think it is useless. It's just my viewpoint on the conflict

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I would agree with the caveat that no one was launching rockets that much either way in the Bogside, civilian deaths by the Provo's and the Army where mostly accidental, the UDA etc on the other hand were animals and seemed happy to kill any catholic they could find

I was more referring to their willingness to build observation posts on the top of civilian apartment blocks. Hell. regular citizens wasn't even enough. They took it further and even went for apartment blocks specifically housing nurses and doctors.

And you fail to mention that many of the UDA murders were under their army handlers.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Thanks for referencing another conflict that had #######s on both sides

But you acknowledge that this is what they did. Yes? I presume so when you reference them as #######s?

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that war is dirty and full of deliberate misinformation. Whilst, yes, maybe there is little that can be done to stop the slaughter of innocents that does not necessarily mean that the lies on a narrative shouldn't be pointed out.

Just like the Provos and the Brits who both were terrorists there are some similarities here.

Just as the Brits armed and provided intelligence for many loyalist murders of innocents aren't the Israelis doing similar for the west bank settlers. Aren't they sitting by and supporting terrorism for all these years?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I was more referring to their willingness to build observation posts on the top of civilian apartment blocks. Hell. regular citizens wasn't even enough. They took it further and even went for apartment blocks specifically housing nurses and doctors.

And you fail to mention that many of the UDA murders were under their army handlers.

But you acknowledge that this is what they did. Yes? I presume so when you reference them as #######s?

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that war is dirty and full of deliberate misinformation. Whilst, yes, maybe there is little that can be done to stop the slaughter of innocents that does not necessarily mean that the lies on a narrative shouldn't be pointed out.

Just like the Provos and the Brits who both were terrorists there are some similarities here.

Just as the Brits armed and provided intelligence for many loyalist murders of innocents aren't the Israelis doing similar for the west bank settlers. Aren't they sitting by and supporting terrorism for all these years?

Thanks for filling me in on what war is……….

[Bagor]

Well you seem pretty naive to the dirtyness of it.
You're welcome.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Well you seem pretty naive to the dirtyness of it.
You're welcome.

I believe he’s been in one, so maybe don’t bark up that particular tree.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I believe he’s been in one, so maybe don’t bark up that particular tree.

I never said he hadn't.
I was referring to the dirtyness of it.

He was asked a simple question regarding the British army and their use of human shields and danced around it

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

But is there anywhere is Gaza that is not full of civilians? 2 million people in 6,020km2. That is an area only a little larger than PEI.

Anywhere hospitable is going to be full of people, those areas are only going to get more dense as bombing continues.

No, all of the Palestinian territories, including West Bank, are just a little larger than PEI and have more than 4 million people. Gaza, though, is only 365 sq km (about half the size of calgary) and has over 2 million people. Way more dense than you even suggested. About the same population density as Tokyo.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Hamas Promised Fighters $10,000, an Apartment if They Brought Back Hostages, Interrogation Video Reveals

https://flip.it/_53KuD

that would been just as useful if they promised them 40 virgins.. lol

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Am I the only one who thinks if the people of Palestine would rise up against Hamas that the entire world would be there to support them?

Of course many would die, but it would likely be less than are dying now.

Everyone knows that Hamas is stealing all the money & aid meant for the people and using it to build tunnels & weapons to attack Israel.

Why don't the people of Palestine, who everyone keeps claiming don't actually support Hamas rise up against them and take back Gaza?

Nice thought, but they won't for the same reason why you will never see an uprising in North Korea.

You have a government and leaders who really don't give two craps about the people they govern.

You have people that have basically been abandoned by their government in terms of the basics of living such as food and proper health care and in Gaza's case water (tearing up pipes to make missiles).

You have an uncaring government with fat over weight super wealthy leaders that have siphoned aid money and aid help away from their people, and enriched themselves (The Kims are billionaires, so are the leaders of Hamas).

The people are too busy trying to survive and too hungry to do anything but scrabble for the bare necessities, they are too weak, hungry and desperate to rebel.

You have uncaring evil governments in Gaza and North Korea that spend a ton of money on weapons that they are not only happy to use against their enemy, but against their own people as well.

so the average citizen is hungry, completely intimidated, captured by bull#### propaganda and literally instead of a "Chicken in every pot", its a "Gun to every one of your heads".

On top of that with Gaza, Hamas uses their people as complete human shields and disposable political pawns and statistics so the billionaires can get more money to wage war against the Jews.

The only thing missing in Gaza is brigades of pleasure girls to serve those hard working members of government like North Korea has.

Its brilliant in its evil.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I never said he hadn't.
I was referring to the dirtyness of it.

He was asked a simple question regarding the British army and their use of human shields and danced around it

Honestly dude, some respect here please.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I never said he hadn't.
I was referring to the dirtyness of it.

He was asked a simple question regarding the British army and their use of human shields and danced around it

I though referring to them as a$$holes would have made my thoughts clear

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Honestly dude, some respect here please.

For what? For challenging his narrative? For stating that western military engage in the same crap they accuse others of?

No one is denying that Hamas is a pos. No one is denying that they use their civilians as human shields. But, let's not pretend that others don't do it as well whilst lecturing from their moral hilltops.

When a narrative is presented explaining what an individual considers to be the definition of human shields how is it disrespectful to point out that western armies do the same if not worse?

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I though referring to them as a$$holes would have made my thoughts clear

No it didn't. as your definition of "both sides" is open to misinterpretation.

All I was pretty much asking was do you agree that the British army are guilty of the same human shield behaviour that you correctly point out Hamas are doing.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Bagor

For what? For challenging his narrative? For stating that western military engage in the same crap they accuse others of?

No one is denying that Hamas is a pos. No one is denying that they use their civilians as human shields. But, let's not pretend that others don't do it as well whilst lecturing from their moral hilltops.

When a narrative is presented explaining what an individual considers to be the definition of human shields how is it disrespectful to point out that western armies do the same if not worse?



No it didn't. as your definition of "both sides" is open to misinterpretation.

All I was pretty much asking was do you agree that the British army are guilty of the same human shield behaviour that you correctly point out Hamas are doing.

No, he just means your comments were making you look like a bit of a #### given Undercover’s military history. Lol, didnt realize the noun of ####old was filtered

[jayswin]

Wow, this thread is insane. To be expected, I guess, but wow. Transplant was the icing on the cake, haha. What was going with him?!?!?