2016 NHL Draft

[Par]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Don't think Boston does that in a million years. Not sure why they give up all that considering the return. Sweeney does that and he gets run out of town imo.

I think is a good trade for both teams, Loui Eriksson is not going back to Boston, Alex Khokhlachev is a known, Tuukka Rask is the only big moving piece for Boston here and the first round pick(Flames own) is the big moving piece for Calgary, if you think about it makes sense for both teams. Boston is unlikely to remain a top team, Loui Eriksson will be gone, Chara will retire soon and they don't have a top prospect to build around, they will get that with the Flames first rounder.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Par

The Flames say hell yeah and Oilers say hell no.

What about our 5th or 6th(which ever we get) pick and Sam Bennett

to Oilers for 2nd pick and Nail Yakupov.


A trade scenario with Boston:

Calgary gets:
Tuukka Rask($2million reatined by Boston)
Rights to Loui Eriksson
Alex Khokhlachev
Boston 1st round pick

Boston gets:
Calgary first round pick
Dennis Wideman
Joni Ortio
Dallas pick(whatever that pick is).

The rights to Eriksson are pretty much worthless, but I'd take them because it'd be OK to get a jump on negotiating with him.
Khokhlachev and Ortio are pretty much a wash, both have had solid AHL seasons, but done nothing at the NHL level yet.

So now we are left with:

(lottery pending)

5th overall
27th-30th overall (depending on DAL vs. STL)

for

14th overall
Rask @ $5 million for 5 years


As long as the Flames pick doesn't end up being top 3, I have a hard time saying no to that deal, which means it's in the Flames favor IMO.

[Ashasx]

I really don't think we should be using our first rounder to upgrade goaltending.

We saw good goaltenders change teams this off-season.... none of which involved the value of a high first round pick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Par

The Flames say hell yeah and Oilers say hell no.

What about our 5th or 6th(which ever we get) pick and Sam Bennett

to Oilers for 2nd pick and Nail Yakupov.


A trade scenario with Boston:

Calgary gets:
Tuukka Rask($2million reatined by Boston)
Rights to Loui Eriksson
Alex Khokhlachev
Boston 1st round pick

Boston gets:
Calgary first round pick
Dennis Wideman
Joni Ortio
Dallas pick(whatever that pick is).

What about no

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

It's funny how huge the lotto can effect our team! I see the rebuild as complete if we draft top 3 and get a goalie. Could be a few more years of the rebuild if we drop to 7 or 8th..

One player doesn't complete the rebuild.

And dropping from 2nd/3rd to 6th/7th/8th doesn't add 'a few more years'

[Par]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The rights to Eriksson are pretty much worthless, but I'd take them because it'd be OK to get a jump on negotiating with him.
Khokhlachev and Ortio are pretty much a wash, both have had solid AHL seasons, but done nothing at the NHL level yet.

So now we are left with:

(lottery pending)

5th overall
27th-30th overall (depending on DAL vs. STL)

for

14th overall
Rask @ $5 million for 5 years


As long as the Flames pick doesn't end up being top 3, I have a hard time saying no to that deal, which means it's in the Flames favor IMO.

This is what I had in mind, the Flames pick will probably be in 6-9 range(the Flames don't trade if they are in the top 3)and Boston pick will be in the 11-14 range, I think don't there is a big drop from there and I don't think the Stars get past the Blues, so Dallas pick would be in the 2nd round.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really don't think we should be using our first rounder to upgrade goaltending.

We saw good goaltenders change teams this off-season.... none of which involved the value of a high first round pick.

The thing with this trade is we are not trading the first for just a goalie, there are things coming in this trade that will help the Flames in a lot ways and Khokhlachev plays like Nikita Kucherov and they both are taking the same route to the NHL.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

One player doesn't complete the rebuild.

And dropping from 2nd/3rd to 6th/7th/8th doesn't add 'a few more years'

One players does not complete the rebuild but getting a top three pick, would help that rebuild be three steps closer, without a top three, you are just taking one step forward.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What about no

You want Laine, then that is what it going to take, I think this a fair deal for both teams, Laine and Bennett, Yak and Nylander?(or whoever).

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Par

The thing with this trade is we are not trading the first for just a goalie, there are things coming in this trade that will help the Flames in a lot ways and Khokhlachev plays like Nikita Kucherov and they both are taking the same route to the NHL.

I think finding a young, top flight forward is a higher priority than trading for a 29 year old goaltender.

[dissentowner]

So, anyone want to guess who this Par guy was before he changed his username?

[killer_carlson]

what time does the lottery take place on Saturday?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Par

One players does not complete the rebuild but getting a top three pick, would help that rebuild be three steps closer, without a top three, you are just taking one step forward.

So how many steps ahead are the oilers? You need to be able to manage your picks and use them properly.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Par

I think is a good trade for both teams, Loui Eriksson is not going back to Boston, Alex Khokhlachev is a known, Tuukka Rask is the only big moving piece for Boston here and the first round pick(Flames own) is the big moving piece for Calgary, if you think about it makes sense for both teams. Boston is unlikely to remain a top team, Loui Eriksson will be gone, Chara will retire soon and they don't have a top prospect to build around, they will get that with the Flames first rounder.

The issue I have is, Boston gives up a top goaltender(probably one of the top 10 in the league) and al they get in return is a top 5/6 pick. Wideman is a 3rd pairing guy on a bad contract and Ortio is barely even an NHL backup at the moment.

After 2 years of not making the play offs, they will likely go all out to make it next season. Sweeney misses 2 years in a row and he'll be gone, Julien the same(3 years in a row for him) if he's even in charge come next April. They aren't making the play offs by trading Rask and picking up Wideman and Ortio. With their defence undergoing a transition, they will need Rask more than ever next season. I don't think they move him under any circumstances. I think if you ask Sweeney for Rask, he demands Bennett(or another top Flames roster player) in return.

[Par]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So, anyone want to guess who this Par guy was before he changed his username?

Par is Par, Par has never been on Calgarypuck before, this is the first time Par is on Calgarypuck, Par lives in Calgary, in the NE, Par went to Lester B. Pearson High School in the Calgary NE, Par works at the Foothills Hospital, let Par know, if you want to know more and Par can sent you his cell number and we can meet up

[Par]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

what time does the lottery take place on Saturday?

5:00pm, Calgary time.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So how many steps ahead are the oilers? You need to be able to manage your picks and use them properly.

The Oilers are ran by the "old boys club" and that is why, they cannot take any steps ahead, with the Flames, that is not the problem, seeing how they worked and managed with their young players, I have no doubt in my mind that with a top 3 pick this, Calgary will take steps ahead.

[Poe969]

Adding a top 3 pick would move any team forward a few steps but trading away a kid like 19 year old Sam Bennett (I think we always have to say his age first) would be taking a step backwards. Bennett is the kind of player that teams want to draft in the top 3, he's one of the reasons the Flames future looks bright.

[1qqaaz]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m2 minutes ago
In advance of Ping Pong Ball Saturday, here is TSN's 2016 Top 15 rankings, the Draft Lottery Edition: http://www.tsn.ca/1.478128 #TSN

Looks like the D are:
7. Juolevi
8. Sergachev
9. Chychrun

Nylander at 6th, McLeod has dropped from 9th to 15th.

[VladtheImpaler]

I still like Juolevi if we are not lucky enough to be top 3. A #1/#2 defenseman is waaay more valuable long-term than a winger... The guy seems to be in the Keith/McDonagh/Brodie mold and he is 6'3". Would much rather have the Flames draft him than anyone else outside the big 3...