2008 College Football Thread

[Flames in 07]

We'll see but I have a suspicion the polls will now put Oklahoma in front of Texas. I think this is a good week to thin the voting heard. Anyone to places Oklahoma in front of Texas gets their rights to vote revoked. Anyway here's my top 6

1. Alabama
2. T Tech
3. Texas
4. PSU
5. Oklahoma
6. USC

Alabama and TTech are 1 and 1a, best 2 teams in the best 2 conferences. Both datapoints are not disputable. Texas third above PSU due to SOS. Same reason to have Oklahoma ahead of SC.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Well some pretty simple blown field goals and some terrible turnovers and this game is over. The gators look good, and as much as I HATE Tebow the Gators are going to give Alabama all they can handle in the SEC title game, the winner of which will go to the BCS title game.

I can't imagine a one loss Florida (assuming they win the SEC) doesn't compete for the national championship.

If Texas Tech and Penn State both manage to win out in that scenario they'd be playing for the national championship. There is no way the voters set the precedent of not including the only two undefeated BCS school in the national championship.

Rightfully so too. The SEC is so overrated this year. Computer rankings of the conferences had the SEC as low as 4th as of last week. It's pretty obvious that the conference isn't as strong as past year's, but you still get the same old cliches every time another SEC "power" loses a conference game.

There's still a lot of football left to play. As it stands right now Florida isn't even the best one-loss team in the country. Texas is.

[ricoFlame]

Texas Tech to #2 in the AP. Boise hops over Utah.

1. Alabama (46) 9-0 1,600
2. Texas Tech (12) 9-0 1,528
3. Penn State (6) 9-0 1,525
4. Florida (1) 7-1 1,398
5. Texas 8-1 1,353
6. Oklahoma 8-1 1,324
7. USC 7-1 1,250
8. Oklahoma State 8-1 1,198
9. Boise State 8-0 1,030
10. Utah 9-0 1,028
11. TCU 9-1 958
12. Ohio State 7-2 898
13. Missouri 7-2 830
14. Georgia 7-2 808
15. LSU 6-2 746
16. Ball State 8-0 594
17. Brigham Young 8-1 536
18. Michigan State 8-2 456
19. North Carolina 6-2 418
20. West Virginia 6-2 303
21. California 6-2 288
22. Georgia Tech 7-2 286
23. Maryland 6-2 242
24. Florida State 6-2 128
25. Pittsburgh 6-2 96

[Flames in 07]

Good, those rankings are not bad. PSU fans may not like it, but they can blame their conference for not having a championship and their team for not scheduling anyone this year if the rankings ended up like this.

Can't wait for TT vs Ok.

[ricoFlame]

BCS for this week:

1. Alabama 9-0
2. Texas Tech 9-0
3. Penn State 9-0
4. Texas 8-1
5. Florida 7-1
6. Oklahoma 8-1
7. USC 7-1
8. Utah 9-0
9. Oklahoma State 8-1
10. Boise State 8-0
11. Ohio State 7-2
12. TCU 9-1

[transplant99]

I know I may sound like a "homer" on this...but how in the hell can a team win a game 56-0 against a conference opponent and then LOSE 2 spots in the BCS standings? Ludicrous.

Florida loses at home against an unranked conference opponent...but are ahead of a USC team that lost on the road to one.

Holy crap does college football need a playoff system. What a freaking joke. A complete and utter charade.

[transplant99]

08/30/08at Virginia Charlottesville, VAW, 52-7
09/13/08vs. Ohio State L.A. ColiseumW, 35-3
9/25/08at Oregon State Corvallis, ORL, 27-21
10/04/08vs. Oregon * L.A. ColiseumW, 44-10
10/11/08vs. Arizona State * L.A. ColiseumW, 28-0
10/18/08at Washington State * Pullman, WAW, 69-0
10/25/08at Arizona Tucson, AZW, 17-10
11/01/08vs. Washington * L.A. ColiseumW, 56-0


think about this.

Since half time of the Oregon St. game the Trojans have surrendered 26 points in 22 quarters of football.

In that same time span they have scored 257 points. And they are only the 7th best team in the country?? Really?

Again...an utter sham.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

08/30/08at Virginia Charlottesville, VAW, 52-7
09/13/08vs. Ohio State L.A. ColiseumW, 35-30
9/25/08at Oregon State Corvallis, ORL, 27-21
10/04/08vs. Oregon * L.A. ColiseumW, 44-10
10/11/08vs. Arizona State * L.A. ColiseumW, 28-0
10/18/08at Washington State * Pullman, WAW, 69-0
10/25/08at Arizona Tucson, AZW, 17-10
11/01/08vs. Washington * L.A. ColiseumW, 56-0


think about this.

Since half time of the Oregon St. game the Trojans have surrendered 26 points in 22 quarters of football.

In that same time span they have scored 257 points. And they are only the 7th best team in the country?? Really?

Again...an utter sham.

strength of schedule counts, and this year the pac-10 schedule has hurt USC. all they can do is win out in a big way (which they should) and see how things shake out. i must admit, in a way i agree with it, USC beats the beavers and there's nothing to whine about.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I know I may sound like a "homer" on this...but how in the hell can a team win a game 56-0 against a conference opponent and then LOSE 2 spots in the BCS standings? Ludicrous.

Florida loses at home against an unranked conference opponent...but are ahead of a USC team that lost on the road to one.

Holy crap does college football need a playoff system. What a freaking joke. A complete and utter charade.

Because other teams are playing better opponents. This represents the tired and simple approach that a team cannot lose spots when they win. Each week we should be able to look back and reevaluate the quality of past wins.

And beating Washington by 56 really isn't nearly as impressive as it looks on the surface. Everyone is killing washington.

Week in and week out Florida is playing much better competition. That should be obvious to any observer.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Because other teams are playing better opponents. This represents the tired and simple approach that a team cannot lose spots when they win. Each week we should be able to look back and reevaluate the quality of past wins.

And beating Washington by 56 really isn't nearly as impressive as it looks on the surface. Everyone is killing washington.

Week in and week out Florida is playing much better competition. That should be obvious to any observer.

It sucks for USC that the PAC 10 is down so much this year and that the SEC is still getting too much credit for being a "meat-grinder." USC scheduled as good, most likely better, OOC than any other of the major colleges. Their big win was more impressive than any other team in the nation.

They lost a close game in a tough environment to a mediocre team and that was bad by them, but there is no way that they are the 7th best team in the nation and no way they should have dropped places in the BCS.

Georgia was ranked 1st but have looked bad this year since that rating. They were easily beat by Alabama at home, had a lot of help from the refs and opponents to beat South Carolina and have maybe one decent win on their record against a down LSU team.

The SEC will continue to get press from preseason rankings and beating up on Div. 2 teams but this year they are not close to the level that they have been in the past.

I hope that USC gets to play a Texas or SEC team so they can kill them in the bowl game. Unfortunately it won't matter much as some team will get to trump around some bogus trophy for being lucky enough to go undefeated. If only there were a better way to decide who is the best team in the nation rather than guess at who played the tougher schedule and whether or not a loss to team A is better than a loss to team B.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

It sucks for USC that the PAC 10 is down so much this year and that the SEC is still getting too much credit for being a "meat-grinder." USC scheduled as good, most likely better, OOC than any other of the major colleges. Their big win was more impressive than any other team in the nation.

They lost a close game in a tough environment to a mediocre team and that was bad by them, but there is no way that they are the 7th best team in the nation and no way they should have dropped places in the BCS.

Georgia was ranked 1st but have looked bad this year since that rating. They were easily beat by Alabama at home, had a lot of help from the refs and opponents to beat South Carolina and have maybe one decent win on their record against a down LSU team.

The SEC will continue to get press from preseason rankings and beating up on Div. 2 teams but this year they are not close to the level that they have been in the past.

I hope that USC gets to play a Texas or SEC team so they can kill them in the bowl game. Unfortunately it won't matter much as some team will get to trump around some bogus trophy for being lucky enough to go undefeated. If only there were a better way to decide who is the best team in the nation rather than guess at who played the tougher schedule and whether or not a loss to team A is better than a loss to team B.

You won't find too many people that are around football that would ever compare the Pac10 to the SEC. Yes USC can't help it ... to an extent (they could push for a championship game which would help ... but I've never heard of them doing that), but that isn't relevant. You can't rate them higher because of pity for USC's schedule. Thinking the quality of football is comparable is just funny. It's my favorite football to watch, but its soft compared to SEC, timing isn't as important and it's not nearly as tough.

Look, beat a extremely mediocre OSU and then they are #2 or #3.

And I don't get how Alabama beating Georgia says the SEC is bad. It just says that preseason rankings are bad.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I know I may sound like a "homer" on this...but how in the hell can a team win a game 56-0 against a conference opponent and then LOSE 2 spots in the BCS standings? Ludicrous.

Florida loses at home against an unranked conference opponent...but are ahead of a USC team that lost on the road to one.

Holy crap does college football need a playoff system. What a freaking joke. A complete and utter charade.

Because washington is like playing a highschool team. they are the only winless team in division 1A

get over it the pac 1 sucks the whole conferance. Ole Miss is a good team.(5-4) Only losing to wake, vandy, Bama, and South Carolina. Besides Florida just waxed LSU Kentucky and UGA

163 points for and only 36 agianst. Dont forget that both LSU and UGA were top ten teams until Florida destroyed them..

until the Pac 1 gets better USC will be forced to play in the rose bowl unless they run the table.

But USC is good for an embarrasment in CF by losing to a lowly pac 1 school every year.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I remember when UW was a powerhouse every year. Don James must be rolling over in his grave, and he's not even dead yet.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I remember when UW was a powerhouse every year. Don James must be rolling over in his grave, and he's not even dead yet.

Ha I was thinking the same thing earlier this year, at least they have a chance in the apple cup.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

And I don't get how Alabama beating Georgia says the SEC is bad. It just says that preseason rankings are bad.

It doesn't say that the SEC is bad, just that it isn't as dominant as thought at the start of the season and that the Florida win at home against Georgia isn't as impressive as many might think. Certainly not impressive enough that they should jump USC.

The one thing that USC has shown better than any other team in the nation is that no matter how bad their conference schedule is come BCS time they are going to kick the crap out of whichever team they play from whatever conference that they come from.

In my view despite their weak conference schedule they should get the benefit of the doubt based on their OOC play and history in the BCS bowl games.

In reality I would like to see an 8 team play-off that would leave out a lot of subjective analysis that is in place now, but that will never happen and instead we have SEC teams playing Div. 2 chumps and relying on voters overhyping their conference, whether it is deserved or not, and voters and computers assigning arbitrary values to loses of various teams.

[rubecube]

I don't get it. If USC wants to be taken seriously then why not book a game against an SEC team? Cal has done it on numerous occasions. If USC had booked a game against even a team like Vanderbilt, they'd be looking a lot better.

[PIMking]

Moon The cocktail party is a neutral site game. although its played in florida its not in gainsville.

[moon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't get it. If USC wants to be taken seriously then why not book a game against an SEC team? Cal has done it on numerous occasions. If USC had booked a game against even a team like Vanderbilt, they'd be looking a lot better.

They went to Auburn a few years ago, this year they scheduled a top 5/10 team in Ohio State and went to Virginia, who while not great is still a competitive BCS school. Every year they have Notre Dame on the OOC schedule as well which traditionally has been very good.

I am not sure that there can be any criticism of their OOC schedule this year. I don't see another top 10 or even 15 team that has a schedule that tough. A win against Vandy is less impressive than the OSU win and really how much more impressive would it have been than the 55-0 road win against Virginia?

I am not sure what SEC school is going to want to schedule USC at this point. Playing a home and home against Cal is very different from scheduling USC.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Moon The cocktail party is a neutral site game. although its played in florida its not in gainsville.

Aww ya I forgot about that. I thought it was a home game for Florida based on the number of Florida fans that there were in the stands.

[Montana Moe]

USC also crushed Arkansas a couple years ago as well.

I've never had issue with USC's out of conference opponents. If they could just go without that one embarassing conference loss every season, they'd be the dynasty they would like to be.