Forever Canadian Petition Support (Alberta Politics)

[Reggie Dunlop]

456,355 is 2.5 times the number needed for the Alberta Prosperity Project's phantom petition.

[The Big Chill]

What’s the likelihood of it going to a referendum now? Isn’t that exactly what we would have want to avoided?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

What’s the likelihood of it going to a referendum now? Isn’t that exactly what we would have want to avoided?

Of this going to referendum? Small I would say. Not even the seperatists (the organizers anyways) would (or should) want this going to referendum. It doesn't meet the theshold established in the Clarity Act and would prevent them from getting a question that is on the ballot. The leg will vote on it.. with the NDP supporting it en masse and Smith will just let her Calgary MLA's join them or if she's even more of a chicken#### then she'll whip her caucus to be absent.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

What’s the likelihood of it going to a referendum now? Isn’t that exactly what we would have want to avoided?

Pretty low chance.

This petition went through as a "Legislative / policy" petition, which means it needs to be reviewed by the government and voted on in the legislature. Here is what is detailed on the Alberta elections website.

Legislative Proposal

1. The Speaker of the Legislative Assembly shall lay the proposal before the Legislative Assembly if it is then sitting, or if it is not then sitting, within 15 days after the commencement of the next sitting.
2. Within 10 sitting days, the Government shall bring forward a motion to have the proposal referred to a committee of the Legislative Assembly.
3. Within 90 days if the Assembly is sitting, or within 15 days after the commencement of the next sitting, the committee may either table a report recommending that a bill be introduced at the earliest practicable opportunity or table a report recommending the Chief Electoral Officer hold an initiative vote.
4. If the Legislative Assembly concurs with the introduction of a bill, the Government shall introduce the bill at the earliest practicable opportunity.

Policy Proposal

1. The Speaker of the Legislative Assembly shall lay the proposal before the Legislative Assembly if it is then sitting, or if it is not then sitting, within 15 days after the commencement of the next sitting.
2. Within 10 sitting days, the Government shall bring forward a motion to have the proposal referred to a committee of the Legislative Assembly.
3. Within 90 days if the Assembly is sitting, or within 15 days after the commencement of the next sitting, the committee may either table a report with respect to the policy proposal at the earliest practicable opportunity or table a report recommending the policy proposal be referred to the Lieutenant Governor in Council for the purpose of a referendum.
4. A referendum must be held on or before the fixed date of the next provincial general election. If that date is less than one year after the date the recommendation is tabled, the referendum must be held before the provincial general election following the next provincial general election.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Pretty low chance.

This petition went through as a "Legislative / policy" petition, which means it needs to be reviewed by the government and voted on in the legislature. Here is what is detailed on the Alberta elections website.

Really, it's up to Smith and the UCP to affirm they want Alberta to stay in Canada and not send this to a referendum. If they send it to referendum, their position is pretty clear.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Torture

Really, it's up to Smith and the UCP to affirm they want Alberta to stay in Canada and not send this to a referendum. If they send it to referendum, their position is pretty clear.

Yes and at that point it is no longer a "citizen led initiative". It is the UCP leading the referendum to separate from the legislature.

It truly forces them to either drop the subject or take of their masks and openly declare themselves as separatists.

[CroFlames]

Massive potential for this gif in the upcoming months

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Wolven

It truly forces them to either drop the subject or take of their masks and openly declare themselves as separatists.

One other aspect you're missing... or it forces them to reveal themselves as federalists who are just playing footsie with the separatist trash for $$ & votes.

I think what she (Smith) has been doing this entire time is just heading off any emergence of "Wildrose Rose Party 2: Wildrose Harder" which is to say she's doing this exclusively to make getting herself re-elected easier.

[Regorium]

The biggest likelihood in my opinion is that the UCP completely ignores this. Who's going to hold them accountable to the rules? They'll just write new ones.

Not that it would change anyone's vote. The UCP has shown they can do whatever they want and people still vote for them.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by troutman

Confirmed

‘Forever Canadian’ petition surpasses goal, collects 456K signatures

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/arti...rta-in-canada/

####ing A!

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Regorium

The biggest likelihood in my opinion is that the UCP completely ignores this. Who's going to hold them accountable to the rules? They'll just write new ones.

Not that it would change anyone's vote. The UCP has shown they can do whatever they want and people still vote for them.

Basically what I expect to happen

[Reggie Dunlop]

"...we now go live.... to Yosemite Sam at APP HQ....."

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

"...we now go live.... to Yosemite Sam at APP HQ....."

These giblet heads can't decide if this is a win, a loss, a screwjob, a mistake, a gotcha, or a nothing burger.

https://www.facebook.com/share/17Ad9TiHJZ/

Either way there is a lot of cope going around the trough today.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Yamer

These giblet heads can't decide if this is a win, a loss, a screwjob, a mistake, a gotcha, or a nothing burger.

https://www.facebook.com/share/17Ad9TiHJZ/

Either way there is a lot of cope going around the trough today.

Pretty hilarious to have one conservative call another conservative a communist.

The "United" part of the UCP is pretty hollow.

[DionTheDman]

How many ding dongs signed the Alberta Prosperity Project's petition?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

How many ding dongs signed the Alberta Prosperity Project's petition?

Zero. They do not have a petition to sign.

1) There cannot be two petitions around the same topic and the Forever Canada one is locked in.
2) The 'ding dong' petition had to go to court to be reviewed because it is unconstitutional.

Even if the court says they are okay to go ahead, they cannot do so because the other question is in place. With 456K signatures, I think it is very likely that they break the 296K threshold which would then lock in the Forever Canada question as the only question that can be asked on the topic of Alberta's relationship with Canada.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Pretty hilarious to have one conservative call another conservative a communist.

The "United" part of the UCP is pretty hollow.

Especially one that escaped from Communist Poland.

[para transit fellow]

I am trying to wrap my head around how many boxes of paper it took to deliver the petitions to Elections Alberta. ( just a weird thought I can't seem to get out of my head)

Can a petition volunteer reveal how many signatures per page?

( i didn't look at the entire page when i gave my signature to the project)

[Reggie Dunlop]

Double-sided pages. There's 7 per page, so 14 signatures.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

I am trying to wrap my head around how many boxes of paper it took to deliver the petitions to Elections Alberta. ( just a weird thought I can't seem to get out of my head)

Can a petition volunteer reveal how many signatures per page?

( i didn't look at the entire page when i gave my signature to the project)

The photo they posted today showed 60 bankers boxes. Probably a standard bankers box holds about 2000-3000 pages depending on how neatly it was filed, based on staples shipping 5000 clean pages in similar sized boxes. So there were probably a few boxes not full, and many pages not full. If it was done in a single organized fashion it probably would have fit in 20, but that's not how big petitions work.