[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Having a bad year, but not quite bad enough to meet the conditions to keep our pick only to get Florida's in the 25-32 range would suck.

The team would have to improve over last year to be ‘not quite bad enough’ for that. The whole year, including when Hanifin and Tanev were the top D pairing and playing out of their minds.

Now consider that they’re starting with the roster that had a .350 points percentage after the trade deadline, and look to be subtracting players even from that. I don’t think finishing outside the bottom 10 is anything to worry about.

[GUnit]

Yes let's not damage that .350

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Expected so and not an issue at all. If Flames aren’t greedy, Jake Allen should return a 3rd before the season starts.

If Jake Allen had ANY value NJ wouldn’t insist the Flames take him back ! They would trade him themselves for whatever value he had

Allen sucks - and that fine - our goal is to suck

If Vladar stay Allen gets buried in the minor or traded for someone else who sucks and has a similar cap hit that a team wants to dump (7th D, etc)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Jake Allen had ANY value NJ wouldn’t insist the Flames take him back ! They would trade him themselves for whatever value he had

Allen sucks - and that fine - our goal is to suck

If Vladar stay Allen gets buried in the minor or traded for someone else who sucks and has a similar cap hit that a team wants to dump (7th D, etc)

Or if Allen stays, Vladar gets demoted.

Really doesn't matter, as they need to play Wolf with an experienced 1A.

I would look for a goalie, who is really good with a younger goalie and can help him.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Jake Allen had ANY value NJ wouldn’t insist the Flames take him back ! They would trade him themselves for whatever value he had

Allen sucks - and that fine - our goal is to suck

If Vladar stay Allen gets buried in the minor or traded for someone else who sucks and has a similar cap hit that a team wants to dump (7th D, etc)

I don't like Jake Allen but the devils did pay a 3rd rounder for him so he obviously has some value.

[TOfan]

If Markstrom gets moved, which seems like a better than 50/50 chance at this point, I do wonder what the plan is with Vladar.

I suspect the Flames will want to bring in a good pro/vet to tandem with Wolf, maybe Talbot?

Vladar’s tricky because I think the Flames think he has a fair amount of upside but the league probably sees him as an overpaid backup coming off an injury that could be risky. Unfortunately he’s not going to have the opportunity to show himself before the start of the season.

Do the Flames look to offload him wherever they can? Do the start the year with three G’s? Maybe they waive Vladar at the start to see if there are any takers? Start him in the A, see if he can rebuild his status around the league? Would/should they consider using a retention spot? Something not often talked about but a solid backup making $1M is pretty valuable across the league.

Interested to see where this goes….

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I don't like Jake Allen but the devils did pay a 3rd rounder for him so he obviously has some value.

Last year he did .

If he had any pick value NJ would trade him for that pick and not insist the Flames take him

He might have pick value at some point when his real $ and cap hit are small of a team has an injury but right not his value is zero

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Last year he did .

If he had any pick value NJ would trade him for that pick and not insist the Flames take him

He might have pick value at some point when his real $ and cap hit are small of a team has an injury but right not his value is zero

It was 3 months ago.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If Markstrom gets moved, which seems like a better than 50/50 chance at this point, I do wonder what the plan is with Vladar.

I suspect the Flames will want to bring in a good pro/vet to tandem with Wolf, maybe Talbot?

Vladar’s tricky because I think the Flames think he has a fair amount of upside but the league probably sees him as an overpaid backup coming off an injury that could be risky. Unfortunately he’s not going to have the opportunity to show himself before the start of the season.

Do the Flames look to offload him wherever they can? Do the start the year with three G’s? Maybe they waive Vladar at the start to see if there are any takers? Start him in the A, see if he can rebuild his status around the league? Would/should they consider using a retention spot? Something not often talked about but a solid backup making $1M is pretty valuable across the league.

Interested to see where this goes….

I doubt anyone considers Vladar a solid back up, at least not until he proves himself healthy and effective.

Calgary would not waste a Retention spot simply to move Vladar, those spaces are quite valuable.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Last year he did .

If he had any pick value NJ would trade him for that pick and not insist the Flames take him

He might have pick value at some point when his real $ and cap hit are small of a team has an injury but right not his value is zero

His value is largely cap dump related in a Markstrom deal. They wouldn’t need him if they had Markstrom and they wouldn’t trade him for a pick if they don’t have Markstrom.

[Kipper_3434]

Wolf doesn't need a 1a to play with. He needs the net to himself, Wolf always plays tons of games, and usually takes a handful of consecutive starts, before his play becomes elevated to the MVP levels we saw in the ahl and CHL.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

It was 3 months ago.

And ?

I’m not sure how this is even an argument - NJ wouldn’t insist on him being included in the deal if they could trade him for a pick

They would just trade him for a pick ..

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

It was 3 months ago.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And ?

I’m not sure how this is even an argument - NJ wouldn’t insist on him being included in the deal if they could trade him for a pick

They would just trade him for a pick ..

Do you realize there is a salary cap? That's a reason why players are traded and not just claimed off waivers some times.

Trading a player for salary cap is trade value. They are insisting he be included because of his salary not because he has 0 value.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Do you realize there is a salary cap? That's a reason why players are traded and not just claimed off waivers some times.

Trading a player for salary cap is trade value. They are insisting he be included because of his salary not because he has 0 value.

That means his value - because of his cap hit - is - wait for it

Zero or negative !

[Bourque's Twin]

Allen is perfect to run with Wolf. Vladar has potential but he’s not nearly as reliable as Allen. Allen also has pretty good experience. He’s not a former all star but he’s played some pretty big playoff games in STL and he was on a SC team and SCF team.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Roof-Daddy]

Allen was traded for a conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if conditions are met, just a few months ago.

I don't see the problem with taking him back in the deal as long as they aren't trying to recoup that value in a Markstrom trade by making the Flames include a 3rd or 2nd rounder.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That means his value - because of his cap hit - is - wait for it

Zero or negative !

This is false as we already know there is value attached to taking salary as trades are made every year to dump a contract and in return draft picks are returned.

Jake allen was traded for a 3rd rounder 3 months ago. Not sure how you can say that 3 months later his value is 0 or negative.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Getting Allen back would be awesome. He could turn that .350 into .275