2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Treliving built a team which alternated between making the playoffs and missing the playoffs. Very middle of the pack

It’s what the Avs did though. The difference was they really bottomed out a few of those times.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Treliving built a team which alternated between making the playoffs and missing the playoffs. Very middle of the pack

The big miss for him was that he didn't get a true #1 center. They needed to depth their way to a cup and were getting closer until Monahan got injured and Tkachuk/Gaudreau left. I still think he should get the blame for letting the team blow up due to his contract structures and love of crappy forward free agents.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The big miss for him was that he didn't get a true #1 center. They needed to depth their way to a cup and were getting closer until Monahan got injured and Tkachuk/Gaudreau left. I still think he should get the blame for letting the team blow up due to his contract structures and love of crappy forward free agents.

I like Sam Bennett but man did Sam not turning into what some thought he could be really set things back.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I like Sam Bennett but man did Sam not turning into what some thought he could be really set things back.

Yup, TSN turning point for the Flames on that one.

[GioforPM]

It wasn’t a great draft year, especially for centres, it turns out. The best number one centre turned out to be Larkin and he’s a PPG guy, not quite on the level of guys on other teams. Though maybe that’s his team as well. There were some good wingers chosen after Bennett (Nylander, Pasternak, etc). But aside from Draisaitl who isn’t even a centre really, nada.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I like Sam Bennett but man did Sam not turning into what some thought he could be really set things back.

Sam not panning out as a 1C
Monahan's injury woes

Lindholm being a serviceable 1C between Johnny and Matty gave us one more year of competitiveness but after those bolted it was over, especially with Gaudreau leaving for zero return.

But yeah, Bennett becoming a legit 1C and Monahan staying healthy would have made this team unreal good, plus if Fox hadn't forced his way out. Then we also have that 1D who can drive the offense from the back end.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The big miss for him was that he didn't get a true #1 center. They needed to depth their way to a cup and were getting closer until Monahan got injured and Tkachuk/Gaudreau left. I still think he should get the blame for letting the team blow up due to his contract structures and love of crappy forward free agents.

They are hard to get.

His biggest mistake was trading away 3 valuable draft picks for a Hamonic. Not only was he terrible, he also took Bordie with him.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Rational!

If the GM and/or the organization put off the rebuild I agree, that was the opportunity.

Especially with the number of UFAs slated for the 23/24 season.

Treliving's two biggest mistakes were extending Huberdeau and paying a first to get rid of Monahan so he could sign Kadri. He could have let things play out and see how things looked last trade deadline.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The most important thing in the next 2 seasons is to find players to build around.



There is a grand total of 1 player to build around, and that's Wolf. He is the only truly 'blue chip superstar potential' prospect in the system (and even then it isn't a guarantee, though nothing is). It isn't enough to draft well and get good NHL players through the draft. You come out of it at the same place you went in - a rather deep team without any real superstars/franchise players.



I love Zary and Pospisil, but neither of them are franchise types. Hopefully Conroy can hit on a few. You don't need the top 3 or 4 picks in a draft to find them, but it certainly helps find them (or be in a position to find MORE of them in a draft, since most of them are obviously clumped together at the top of each draft).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Treliving's two biggest mistakes were extending Huberdeau and paying a first to get rid of Monahan so he could sign Kadri. He could have let things play out and see how things looked last trade deadline.

I still go with the UFA daisy chain that led to Tkachuk taking that bridge contract.

[GioforPM]

Funny thing about the 2014 Bennett draft - they pick 4th in any other nearby year, they still don't get a truly great 1C. 2013 they pick either Lindholm or Monahan. 2015 they pick Zacha or maybe reach down for Barzal if they want a centre at all costs. Etc.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

My belief is:

- Treliving built a very good team while he was here, a legit contender

- The summer of 2022 gutted that team

- Treliving’s fatal flaw was not starting a re-tool then and getting younger. Maybe not his choice, maybe it was

- The mess the team was left in all goes back to that summer, changed the entire trajectory of the team

I hear you, but the fatal flaw for me was not locking in top players earlier when he had the chance. Even if there was perceived overpay. Sticking to salary structure like Gio's 7mm "cap" and putting money into Troy Brouwer types instead of just paying up for our young talent.

He nailed Rasmus. That contract at the time seemed to be a gamble for a guy that only a year and a half of NHL duty for $4.5mm x 6. It worked though.

It's been discussed on here numerous times before that there were windows to sign 19 and 13. Would have been big numbers.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I hear you, but the fatal flaw for me was not locking in top players earlier when he had the chance. Even if there was perceived overpay. Sticking to salary structure like Gio's 7mm "cap" and putting money into Troy Brouwer types instead of just paying up for our young talent.

He nailed Rasmus. That contract at the time seemed to be a gamble for a guy that only a year and a half of NHL duty for $4.5mm x 6. It worked though.

It's been discussed on here numerous times before that there were windows to sign 19 and 13. Would have been big numbers.

Was bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. The Flames top players were very inconsistent. Gaudreau and Tkachuk had two pretty awful down years in 2019/2020 and 2020/21, yes, in hindsight they could have locked them up for an overpay then and given Tkachuk captaincy. At that point, though, it looked like a failing core.

2021/22 just resulted in a bunch of factors all coming together to convince Gaudreau and Tkachuk to leave: Sutter, a painful playoff run, Covid, both guys having career years, etc..

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Was bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. The Flames top players were very inconsistent. Gaudreau and Tkachuk had two pretty awful down years in 2019/2020 and 2020/21, yes, in hindsight they could have locked them up for an overpay then and given Tkachuk captaincy. At that point, though, it looked like a failing core.

2021/22 just resulted in a bunch of factors all coming together to convince Gaudreau and Tkachuk to leave: Sutter, a painful playoff run, Covid, both guys having career years, etc..

When Tkachuk talks about his willingness to sign a long term deal back then it sure looks like he is talking 5 years or so.

[OILFAN #81]

Pierre LeBrun mentions that the Devils will check in on Saros and Markstrom again this summer.

https://theathletic.com/5335891/2024...rade-deadline/

[FusionX]

I'm hoping Mercer plays like crap the rest of the way, traded for Markstrom anyways and reverts to form. Still on the Mercer train!

[This post is terrible]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I'm hoping Mercer plays like crap the rest of the way, traded for Markstrom anyways and reverts to form. Still on the Mercer train!

I’d be happy with just Jersey’s first this year, it should allow us to draft Tij comfortably

[Tbull8]

Ya I think this years 1st plus Holtz should be the target package. I'm sure they pushed hard for 1st and Mercer, but with it being a top 15 pick its not surprising that NJ said no. If they want to keep Mercer then they have to include the 1st. If they wont then it has to be Mercer.

[Toonage]

Why would Jersey make that deal at the draft when they could have done it at the deadline?

Conversely why would Calgary agree to that at the draft when they allegedly turned it down at the deadline?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Why would Jersey make that deal at the draft when they could have done it at the deadline?

Conversely why would Calgary agree to that at the draft when they allegedly turned it down at the deadline?

The 2024 1st sounds like it was never on the table. If NJ traded the 2024 1st even with the lottery protection, they run the risk of giving up an unprotected 2025 (no one is willing to take a pick that is 2 year protected). Once the lottery passes and they know that the pick is say 12, now it has a set value. Sounds like Calgary wanted both Mercer AND a higher pick, so I think we can assume NJ offered Holtz + a second