How much damage did Covid do?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Slava

Absolutely not. The thing with these windfall taxes is that when times are tough in those sectors, the government isn't stepping in. Look no further than energy. The government wasn't there in 2015 to provide assistance. In 2020 when the prices got slaughtered there was no assistance offered. So why should the government hammer them with taxes now that they've survived?

That isn't true at all. The energy industry in Alberta has benefited from multiple government cash infusions and incentives.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...tawa-1.5363218

Governments have stepped in multiple times to bail out companies. 2008 and Covid being two huge examples. Corporate socialism is alive and well. SMEs continue to fail while large companies are being propped up. I'd rather money flows directly to impacted workers rather than companies the next time a bailout goes down.

[MoneyGuy]

We’ll be paying for decades for COVID - emotionally and financially (where the costs will be huge).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

We’ll be paying for decades for COVID - emotionally and financially (where the costs will be huge).

Oh yes....

One of the fundamentals of COVID even at the very beginning was that we didnt even know what we didnt know and continuing like that I dont think we have the faintest clue as to what some of the long-term consequences of COVID are going to be.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh yes....

One of the fundamentals of COVID even at the very beginning was that we didnt even know what we didnt know and continuing like that I dont think we have the faintest clue as to what some of the long-term consequences of COVID are going to be.

One of the strangest things is how so many people forget that COVID was uncharted territory. Yes, there were bubonic plagues and Spanish flu that we used to determine how we'd like to try to chart through the uncharted territory of COVID, but no one had a damn clue what was going on.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

One of the strangest things is how so many people forget that COVID was uncharted territory. Yes, there were bubonic plagues and Spanish flu that we used to determine how we'd like to try to chart through the uncharted territory of COVID, but no one had a damn clue what was going on.

Yup. Remember when people were Lysol-wiping their grocery packages?

It also gave rise to the doubters.

"The Scientists dont know!!"

Well, no, they dont. But they're operating with the best information available.

And as that information changed so did the advice and circumstances and that just gave more credence to the doubting crowd.

To me thats just insane. How often does anyone get to make decisions based on perfect information? If you have perfect information then why does anyone even need you there?

We didnt, and still dont, know what we dont know about COVID.

[chemgear]

The same doubters are the people that have never washed their hands after pissing or after a bout of Taco Tuesday diarrhea.

"The scientists don't KNOW for sure I have #### on them, why should I have to wash my hands?"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yup. Remember when people were Lysol-wiping their grocery packages?

We were quite right to err on the side of caution in the early days of covid. But things like spraying down checkout stations went on for long, long after we knew covid wasn’t spread by surface transmission*. It became a kind of hygiene theatre, with the participants going through the motions of pretending it was a necessary or effective measure.

* The July 2020 issue of the Lancet pretty conclusively debunked the notion that fomite spread played a significant role in covid transmission. Many stores, transit systems, etc. were still doing conspicuous wipe-downs and deep cleans more than 12 months later.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We were quite right to err on the side of caution in the early days of covid. But things like spraying down checkout stations went on for long, long after we knew covid wasn’t spread by surface transmission*. It became a kind of hygiene theatre, with the participants going through the motions of pretending it was a necessary or effective measure.

* The July 2020 issue of the Lancet pretty conclusively debunked the notion that fomite spread played a significant role in covid transmission. Many stores, transit systems, etc. were still doing conspicuous wipe-downs and deep cleans more than 12 months later.

There was a portion of it that might have been theatre, I agree. But I honestly do believe the spray down stuff for instance was an indirect method of prevention. It's just the communication was so bad that people kept talking of things out of context. It was like the blind men and the elephant and one dude at the back yelling, "The odds of getting shat on is a pretty ####ing high!" and the dude at the trunk going, "No it ####ing isn't!"

At the time, one of the key words was "viral load". Covid isn't the only thing that has viruses or illness. So if you kept surfaces clean and your body wasn't distracted working on garden variety salmonella for instance, your body would have more resources to divert towards fighting off the illness once you got it. So many people seemed to act like all other viruses, bacteria etc. disappeared after Covid arrived. I remember a convo where I said we needed to worry about BOTH Covid AND RSV for kids during the surges in the fall and the person looked at me and said I was a Covid denier idiot because RSV wasn't worse than Covid.

So perhaps the decision making by those in charge were right in continuing surface cleaning, but wrong on occasion in directly correlating it would help to directly reduce the transmission of Covid. It would at best indirectly reduce the severity of Covid.

That's the only way I could reconcile some of the weird gaps in logic at the time. I just considered it part of the theatre piece we needed to play as participants in a good society.

I got pretty frustrated at those who were militant in sanitizing groceries, then one of the first to go on trip and claiming the quarantine protocols were bunk. We don't solely worry whether you have Covid upon return. I don't want to increase my odds of no nasty cold either.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yup. Remember when people were Lysol-wiping their grocery packages?

It also gave rise to the doubters.

"The Scientists dont know!!"

Well, no, they dont. But they're operating with the best information available.

And as that information changed so did the advice and circumstances and that just gave more credence to the doubting crowd.

To me thats just insane. How often does anyone get to make decisions based on perfect information? If you have perfect information then why does anyone even need you there?

We didnt, and still dont, know what we dont know about COVID.

and then you have an effing moron in this thread who typed this.... lol

I honestly can’t believe more people can not admit they were duped and lied to with Covid.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

and then you have an effing moron in this thread who typed this.... lol

You shouldn’t have deleted that poster’s name, as if we didn’t know.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We were quite right to err on the side of caution in the early days of covid. But things like spraying down checkout stations went on for long, long after we knew covid wasn’t spread by surface transmission*. It became a kind of hygiene theatre, with the participants going through the motions of pretending it was a necessary or effective measure.

* The July 2020 issue of the Lancet pretty conclusively debunked the notion that fomite spread played a significant role in covid transmission. Many stores, transit systems, etc. were still doing conspicuous wipe-downs and deep cleans more than 12 months later.

My (ex)wife became a fiend for doing this obsessively, it was incredibly frustrating to see an otherwise normal, sort-of rational person -- I thought -- start Lysol-spraying her own cell phone when she came in from grocery shopping, nevermind everything in the grocery bags. Like, it's your phone; are there people literally sneezing into your purse? It was entirely new behaviour brought on by COVID. Personality-wise she became very, very different and very negative, and it was a big part of our undoing.

Thanks COVID. *flips bird*

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

There was a portion of it that might have been theatre, I agree. But I honestly do believe the spray down stuff for instance was an indirect method of prevention. It's just the communication was so bad that people kept talking of things out of context. It was like the blind men and the elephant and one dude at the back yelling, "The odds of getting shat on is a pretty ####ing high!" and the dude at the trunk going, "No it ####ing isn't!"

At the time, one of the key words was "viral load". Covid isn't the only thing that has viruses or illness. So if you kept surfaces clean and your body wasn't distracted working on garden variety salmonella for instance, your body would have more resources to divert towards fighting off the illness once you got it. So many people seemed to act like all other viruses, bacteria etc. disappeared after Covid arrived. I remember a convo where I said we needed to worry about BOTH Covid AND RSV for kids during the surges in the fall and the person looked at me and said I was a Covid denier idiot because RSV wasn't worse than Covid.

So perhaps the decision making by those in charge were right in continuing surface cleaning, but wrong on occasion in directly correlating it would help to directly reduce the transmission of Covid. It would at best indirectly reduce the severity of Covid.

That's the only way I could reconcile some of the weird gaps in logic at the time. I just considered it part of the theatre piece we needed to play as participants in a good society.

I got pretty frustrated at those who were militant in sanitizing groceries, then one of the first to go on trip and claiming the quarantine protocols were bunk. We don't solely worry whether you have Covid upon return. I don't want to increase my odds of no nasty cold either.

Yes, because that common cold at the time was also treated like COVID which was a major pain to deal with, so staying healthy was an absolute must. Add in, the health care system was strained so the less crap people were catching that developed into say pneumonia taking up resources the better. So it helped the immune compromised then too. Did it last too long? Probably. Was it harmful to anyone? Only to the pocketbooks of business doing it. Did it help even a little bit with the above? Probably

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

My (ex)wife became a fiend for doing this obsessively, it was incredibly frustrating to see an other normal, sort-of rational person -- I thought -- start Lysol-spraying her own cell phone when she came in from grocery shopping, nevermind everything in the grocery bags. Like, it's your phone; are there people literally sneezing into your purse? It was entirely new behaviour brought on by COVID. Personality-wise she became very, very different and very negative, and it was a big part of our undoing.

Thanks COVID. *flips bird*

Let me ask you this: how many poops have you taken in the last five years without your phone?

Exactly.

Lysol that ####.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

You shouldn’t have deleted that poster’s name, as if we didn’t know.

Was it Matata or yoho? I 100% know it was one of those two.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Let me ask you this: how many poops have you taken in the last five years without your phone?

Exactly.

Lysol that ####.

What % of posts on CP are made from the toilet?
I wonder...

[calf]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What % of posts on CP are made from the toilet?

I wonder...

There are way more $hit posts now than in the earlier days of the forum

[troutman]

The Grand Debunk of the antivaxxer book “Turtles All the Way Down” (part 1/10)

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/par...-the-way-down/

If you only remember one thing from this series, remember that there is nothing one can say to a Children’s Health Defense board member, or a dedicated antivaxxer, that would convince them that vaccines are safe and effective. Science doesn’t work that way – even Mary Holland says, in this book, science must be willing to challenge old paradigms. That has been done several times over by dedicated scientists (for example, the removal of an old rotavirus vaccine for intussusception). It is actually CHD who is never willing to change their mind, because it would affect their income if they actually operated honestly.

COVID-19 has exposed the toothlessness of state medical boards

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/cov...edical-boards/

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Let me ask you this: how many poops have you taken in the last five years without your phone?

Exactly.

Lysol that ####.

I'd actually recommend Lysol your phone as opposed to your #### as you're just flushing it down anyway; but I suppose it wouldn't hurt either? Just seems like an needless step.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

My (ex)wife became a fiend for doing this obsessively, it was incredibly frustrating to see an otherwise normal, sort-of rational person -- I thought -- start Lysol-spraying her own cell phone when she came in from grocery shopping, nevermind everything in the grocery bags. Like, it's your phone; are there people literally sneezing into your purse? It was entirely new behaviour brought on by COVID. Personality-wise she became very, very different and very negative, and it was a big part of our undoing.

Thanks COVID. *flips bird*

I can relate as I may be heading down the same path. Been together for 30 years. Sucks.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can relate as I may be heading down the same path. Been together for 30 years. Sucks.

Would you say it’s covid related as well?

I do hear of some couples who are kinda divided the way Torque mentioned. Sad that some women and men might have had very different opinions and experiences with covid that might lead to separation.