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Old 06-21-2023, 01:24 AM   #261
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all that money and they used a Madcatz controller
I wish it was like a 1984 ATARI controller.

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I think it was just a cultural reference until Ballard found it and the subsequent write up and photos in National Geographic.
There's been about 20 films made about the Titanic, so a little more than a cultural reference.
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Old 06-21-2023, 01:59 AM   #263
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Also, Cameron's Titanic wasn't the first Titanic movie. There was one from 1953 and another from 1980 called raise the Titanic .
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'A Night to Remember' is the classic, Cameron used it as his guide for his Titanic

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And if you're fascinated by the Titanic, the exhibit at the Luxor in Vegas is second to none. I highly recommend it, and you get to see 'The Big Piece.'
We were there recently an did that exhibit. I was "meh" before going in, but I was absolutely astounded afterwards. The "big piece" is fascinating enough to look at. The rivets are absolutely monstrous. The whole thing is pretty fascinating as a construction project, and when you add in the tragedy/disaster, it makes it even more interesting.

Would recommend.
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Old 06-21-2023, 06:19 AM   #267
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I wish it was like a 1984 ATARI controller.

It's a good thing you posted a modern replica, because the original one was entirely unpredictable.
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Old 06-21-2023, 07:19 AM   #268
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Yes. I spent my entire childhood learning everything I could about Titanic. There was a t.v special dedicated to it, I got Ballard's books on it, family tried to plan a trip to woods hole but Alvin was always away when they tried.

My mom took me to see Titanic when it came put in the theaters. I balled my eyes out as she left Port. Couldn't have cared less about the plot. Then I awed and gasped during the sinking sequence.


Yeah, Titanic was a big deal before the movie came out.
It was part of the curriculum when I was in grade 3 or 4. Movie came out when I was in high school.

I also grew up and live in the North Atlantic so my view is likely skewed (there graves for those that perished in Halifax, and the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic has a display about the Titanic if I recall correctly).
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I was thinking about their navigation "system" and I can't figure out why they didn't have an onboard navigation device, something like this company makes:


https://www.movella.com/products/sen...s-mti-300-ahrs


Sure, it costs money, but it would save so much time. It should work, since you mount them inside your submersible. Seems bonkers not to buy this, considering the expense of all the other parts of the journey.
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Old 06-21-2023, 08:09 AM   #270
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What are the chances that the controller was just suffering from some joystick drift?

Should have spent a few extra $ for Hall effect sensors!
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Old 06-21-2023, 08:10 AM   #271
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If they had the rumble pak they would have known when things were getting dicey.
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Very good video about the design and why this was a disaster waiting to happen, from a submarine expert.
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Old 06-21-2023, 08:35 AM   #273
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True, but unfortunately that's also where the toilet is (spoilered for size):


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People talking about the controller and toilet but for me the worst part would be sitting cross legged like that for hours on end. My knees hurt just thinking about that
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And if you're fascinated by the Titanic, the exhibit at the Luxor in Vegas is second to none. I highly recommend it, and you get to see 'The Big Piece.'

I would argue it is third at best to the Museum in Halifax, NS (human impacts, victims) and the museum in Belfast, Northern Ireland (the ship and it's construction).
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I wonder if madness drove them to murder each other in an effort to secure more air for themselves. That's what the banging was.
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So are we calling this Ocean Gate or Ocean Gate Gate?
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Old 06-21-2023, 09:05 AM   #277
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Would you say the forces are unfathomable?

But let's not forget... our friends in the orbital industry may only have 1 atm of static pressure differential to handle but they do have to deal with at least 7.5 km/s of orbital kinetic energy (if they ever want to stop being in space). The reentry phase has caused at least 8 deaths I can think of out of only a few hundred people launched. How does that compare to deaths per person-dive below (say) 3000 meters? I'll probably go look that up now...
In my becoming an armchair expert in small deewater sub design apparently they are at zero fatalities but you have so few trips. Like the same number of people have been to the moon have been to the challenger deep in the Mariana Trench.
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Old 06-21-2023, 09:10 AM   #278
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When people are concerned about the joystick I think they are looking at the wrong thing. I think the bigger question is what happens to the Carbon Fiber she’ll overtime as it undergoes cyclic compression and decompression near its maximum stress limits and how are defects looked for between dives.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/...avel-oceangate

Some of it might have been resolved and I wouldn’t be as concerned on the porthole question of certified depth versus designed depth but there being no mechanism for testing of the seam of the capsule is concerning.

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Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scale model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.

Lochridge was particularly concerned about “non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan” but he was “repeatedly told that no scan of the hull or Bond Line could be done to check for delaminations, porosity and voids of sufficient adhesion of the glue being used due to the thickness of the hull.” He was also told there was no such equipment that could conduct a test like that.
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Old 06-21-2023, 09:14 AM   #279
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I tend to laugh at inappropriate jokes but one of them posted in this thread is beyond the pale. Trapped in a tiny tube knowing there is almost no chance of rescue, running out of air knowing you're going to suffocate is the definition of hell.

Imagine yourself in that situation.
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Old 06-21-2023, 09:17 AM   #280
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There's been about 20 films made about the Titanic, so a little more than a cultural reference.

Prior to Ballard locating it? I can only think of “A Night to Remember “ and tangentially, “The Unsinkable Molly Brown”.
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