2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670826976943427584

Making room for Hanifin.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Making room for Hanifin.

You may well be correct.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Making room for Hanifin.

Nope

Kadri

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nope

Kadri

That would be hilarious. With TJ as part of the return.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by calculoso

The main reason this debate about Huberdeau even started was the presumed return (moving up 3-4 slots in the draft). That isn’t anywhere close to enough, especially in a crap UFA year and without other “premium prospects” to trade for valuable players.

To my mind, this suggested trade was nothing to do with moving up 3-4 slots in the draft. That move was suggested as a part of the trade required to relieve the Flames of Huberdeau's 10.5 million dollar contract. That contract will impact the team for years with no guarantee of successful return.

The thoughts that we shouldn't pay Lindholm a big contract to extend because of his age at the end of the contract makes no sense. Yet some have no problem paying Huberdeau 10.5 and he'll be the same age as Lindy when his contract ends. Lindholm is a known, Huberdeau is a gamble.

[Bonded]

Flames should not trade with the Leafs especially when it involves a former GM lol.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Teroy

To my mind, this suggested trade was nothing to do with moving up 3-4 slots in the draft. That move was suggested as a part of the trade required to relieve the Flames of Huberdeau's 10.5 million dollar contract. That contract will impact the team for years with no guarantee of successful return.

Then why even include both 1st round picks at all?

I mean, it is a different conversation if we are trading Huberdeau ++ for an additional 1st rounder… or to move to the top 3 (for example)… but for a swap when they are so close together? Doesn’t make sense

The thoughts that we shouldn't pay Lindholm a big contract to extend because of his age at the end of the contract makes no sense. Yet some have no problem paying Huberdeau 10.5 and he'll be the same age as Lindy when his contract ends. Lindholm is a known, Huberdeau is a gamble.

I also agree that not paying Lindholm makes no sense. To me, both should be retained and played together in a non-Sutter restricted system. I think Huberdeau would find Lindholm for amazing goals, just like how Gaudreau did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Teroy

To my mind, this suggested trade was nothing to do with moving up 3-4 slots in the draft. That move was suggested as a part of the trade required to relieve the Flames of Huberdeau's 10.5 million dollar contract. That contract will impact the team for years with no guarantee of successful return.

The thoughts that we shouldn't pay Lindholm a big contract to extend because of his age at the end of the contract makes no sense. Yet some have no problem paying Huberdeau 10.5 and he'll be the same age as Lindy when his contract ends. Lindholm is a known, Huberdeau is a gamble.

There's never a guarantee. But also, Huberdeau has had one bad year in a new system that apparently wasn't even taking his ideas into account. Every other year since 18-19 he's been PPG (with a monster year added in). Lindy also dropped from 42 goals to 22, and has been PPG one time. I'd say there's at least equal risk with him.

[the-rasta-masta]

Has Brodie's game dropped off? I admit I try to avoid watching as many Leafs games as possible.

If not, he'd be a great option to fill out the top 6 if the Flames and Hanifin can't come together on an extension.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Has Brodie's game dropped off? I admit I try to avoid watching as many Leafs games as possible.

If not, he'd be a great option to fill out the top 6 if the Flames and Hanifin can't come together on an extension.

He was a bit of a scapegoat in the POs from what I saw on fan comments.

[SuperMatt18]

He's still divisive, just as he was here.

I've seen people say he was their best dman last season, and others say he was terrible.

Buying him out seems weird IMO.

You'd think a team would take him easily with $2M retained

[Toonage]

I still find it strange that Gio & Brodie were on the same team for a couple of seasons there and never played together. Seemed natural.

[phibar]

Originally Posted by Teroy

To my mind, this suggested trade was nothing to do with moving up 3-4 slots in the draft. That move was suggested as a part of the trade required to relieve the Flames of Huberdeau's 10.5 million dollar contract. That contract will impact the team for years with no guarantee of successful return.

The thoughts that we shouldn't pay Lindholm a big contract to extend because of his age at the end of the contract makes no sense. Yet some have no problem paying Huberdeau 10.5 and he'll be the same age as Lindy when his contract ends. Lindholm is a known, Huberdeau is a gamble.

Unless Huberdeau has a couple of great years, this is basically an untradable contract. It's already a commitment. Lindholm is potentially a new untradable contract. Big risk here IMO.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He was a bit of a scapegoat in the POs from what I saw on fan comments.

If 33 year old TJ Brodie was playing over 23 minutes per game in the playoffs for the Flames I expect he would be a scapegoat here as he shouldn't be playing this much. That speaks more to the lack of depth on the Leafs blue line than it does Brodie as he should be at best a 4th defenseman on a good blueline group not your number 2 guy.

[bluejays]

Brodie has been overrated even when he was a Flame. Good guy and all, but not a top pairing person for a few years. Bottom three, sure. Buyout candidate? Bizarre, as I'd take him on a bottom three any day. Hard to find puck movers who are decent in their own end.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Making room for Hanifin.

Please no.

i find it unlikely hanifin extends with another Canadian team. 8 team ntc and 7 teams in Canada (6 if you take us off the list).

And yeah, as others have said, no trading with leafs. Always end up on the short stick of any deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If 33 year old TJ Brodie was playing over 23 minutes per game in the playoffs for the Flames I expect he would be a scapegoat here as he shouldn't be playing this much. That speaks more to the lack of depth on the Leafs blue line than it does Brodie as he should be at best a 4th defenseman on a good blueline group not your number 2 guy.

Sure. I just noticed he and Gio both seemed to get some heat after the exit. I didn’t see anything myself that says Brodie was sub par.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by phibar

Unless Huberdeau has a couple of great years, this is basically an untradable contract. It's already a commitment. Lindholm is potentially a new untradable contract. Big risk here IMO.

Even if he has a couple of great seasons, that contract will be unmovable, because he will be 2 years older and closer to the expected decline that is typical of players going into their early and mid 30s.

I really hope he has a big bounce back next season, but I am not convinced he will. I think he will get more than 55 points, because he just has to. We can blame Sutter for everything, but that is too simplistic and a cop out. Huberdeau didn't look motivated at all. You can hate the coach all you want, but it isn't an excuse to not try and be completely invisible. Hot take here, but I think he was pissed off about being traded out of Florida, but signed long term because the Flames drove the Brinks truck up to his front door. I don't think he really wants to be here and checked out once he got the retirement contract. I think Sutter saw this and it's why he was particularly hard on him. That obviously didn't help the cause, but I don't think it was the only factor for why he had a big decline, and possibly not even the main factor.

Conroy and Huska can pump his tires and talk about how proud of a guy he is and he is motivated to be better, but what else are they going to say? They know everything rides on how he responds to last season, so of course they are going to say the right things.

To make a long story short, Huberdeau can bounce back, but it's going to be on him. He has the talent, but he needs to have the desire. I don't think getting rid of Sutter automatically solves anything.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Making room for Hanifin.

I can't see anything the Leafs have to offer (and would actually trade) that would make sense in a deal for Hanifin.

Although I realize this comment was likely made in jest.

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Nylander.