Lebrun: Flames "getting late in the process" of hiring a GM

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Why, is Brendan Shanahan small and petty like Murray Edwards?

Would you really want an ex GM going to the draft with all of your notes and reports?

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Would you really want an ex GM going to the draft with all of your notes and reports?

Teams let their people interview for jobs all the time while under contract. It's not hard to stipulate that, if hired, Tre wouldn't be allowed to participate in his new team's draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Teams let their people interview for jobs all the time while under contract. It's not hard to stipulate that, if hired, Tre wouldn't be allowed to participate in his new team's draft.

Ya, because not being allowed at the draft table totally stops him from sharing all his knowledge and Intel he gathered in Calgary.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, because not being allowed at the draft table totally stops him from sharing all his knowledge and Intel he gathered in Calgary.

He could do that anyways.

He could email all 31 other GMs and say here is the Flames draft strategy if he wants.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Teams let their people interview for jobs all the time while under contract. It's not hard to stipulate that, if hired, Tre wouldn't be allowed to participate in his new team's draft.

Am I out to lunch, or does the "don't participate in the draft" conditions seem pretty hard to investigate or prove? Treliving could never say a word and sit in meetings and with a nod or shake of his head and give away a lot of the Flames intentions. I would not give permission either, and Murray Edwards is much smarter than me.

Personally I think our ownership knows what they are doing.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He could email all 31 other GMs and say here is the Flames draft strategy if he wants.

And you think this would endear him to those teams?

Would you hire and trust someone that shares inside information from their previous organization when they are clearly not allowed to do that?

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, because not being allowed at the draft table totally stops him from sharing all his knowledge and Intel he gathered in Calgary.

Well, based on what I read in CP, any intel from Brad would sabotage his new team because his judgment is terrible! So let 'em go after it!
There's other ways around it too. Hire him with a start date right after the draft. That way he has no official sway or connection to team channels and resources.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He could do that anyways.

He could email all 31 other GMs and say here is the Flames draft strategy if he wants.

I don't think that is true. He is actually under contract still isn't he? You wouldn't tear that contract up unless incented to do so. And doing bad stuff while under contract has consequences.

Actually doing bad stuff like that even without the contract would be a bad look for him.

[Cappy]

It's extremely petty and doesn't present Calgary as a good destination for GMs, now or in the future.

Teams are likely to do the same to Calgary in the future. Also, a top GM candidate with multiple openings may be less willing to consider Calgary based on the way they have treated previous GMs on the way out.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It's extremely petty and doesn't present Calgary as a good destination for GMs, now or in the future.

Yup, it's a terrible look that reflects poorly on the entire organization's culture and business practices.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

And you think this would endear him to those teams?

Would you hire and trust someone that shares inside information from their previous organization when they are clearly not allowed to do that?

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I don't think that is true. He is actually under contract still isn't he? You wouldn't tear that contract up unless incented to do so. And doing bad stuff while under contract has consequences.

Actually doing bad stuff like that even without the contract would be a bad look for him.

My point is the whole thing is a bit of a strawman.

Sure he could go and share all of our draft plans, but really that team is going to have their own scouts, and own strategy, and own plans that they will want to follow too.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He could do that anyways.

He could email all 31 other GMs and say here is the Flames draft strategy if he wants.

If one of the emails was leaked, he would find himself in some pretty serious legal trouble. He would also lose his credibility with other GM's and teams if he exposed himself in this way.

That's very different than him leaking information to a team that is really interested in Tre's services as a GM. Heck, he may have leaked information from the Coyotes to the Flames when Calgary hired him so they know it's something to avoid.

The Flames are likely doing the proper and intelligent thing and fans that don't know what's going on behind the scenes have no substantial reason to be upset here.

[powderjunkie]

As I've said before, Calgary (or any team for that matter) almost certainly does not have anything close to a final draft list at this point. The combine hasn't even happened.

I'm sure Brad knows a tentative order of preference for a dozen or so guys expected to land in the middle of round 1. And a few value ideas later on. But I bet those internal rankings have already changed several times since his resignation, and will change many more times in the weeks to come.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I’ll put this in another thread

[All In Good Time]

It’s probably been said a lot of times
But
There’s a subtle yet distinct difference here
He wasn’t fired, he didn’t quit, he simply said he wasn’t going to sign another contract here. He’s probably still getting paid, he’s not asking to interview for a promotion in another organization. So, I think the flames a doing what many others would
If he was an AGM interviewing for a GM position elsewhere then, yeah, let him interview.
If he wants to interview for the same position in a competitor’s organization, then quit first.

[GioforPM]

One more time - teams have often let AGMs interview and even be hried pre-draft. And AGMs know just as much about the team's plans. There are often agreements that the new hire will not take part in the draft. It's a small community. Breaches might not be proven, but if they are suspected, there are consequences. The draft order would have an effect as well.

At the end of the day the communty is so small, plans are hardly ever that secret anyway.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One more time - teams have often let AGMs interview and even be hried pre-draft. And AGMs know just as much about the team's plans. There are often agreements that the new hire will not take part in the draft. It's a small community. Breaches might not be proven, but if they are suspected, there are consequences. The draft order would have an effect as well.

At the end of the day the communty is so small, plans are hardly ever that secret anyway.

This is true, but I think the reason AGMs are allowed to interview is not based on the confidential knowledge they hold (or don't hold), but rather the convention is to not stand in the way of a promotion for those individuals.

AGMs seem to have the green light to interview for GM jobs, but I am not so sure that is the case for GMs interviewing for GM jobs.

No inside knowledge, just an observation I was going to make when this became a discussion point.

[browna]

I don't think even Treliving expects that he'd be allowed to do that "officially" nor cares; he's been around enough to know how all this works. Optically, yes, working for someone else before your job has ended looks bad, but practically, no there are little secrets when it comes to drafting. Now, if Treliving has inside info on current roster players he could bring over, but even that's disseminated by agents to other teams.

It's windbags in the media looking to get some clicks, take a veiled shot at a franchise and get fans riled up with a hot take that makes it sound as if Treliving is being persecuted by the Flames.

Those media guys also will back up a current/ex GM becuase they will continue to be a insider source for them, so any public defending they can do for their sources, it means good buisness in the future.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This is true, but I think the reason AGMs are allowed to interview is not based on the confidential knowledge they hold (or don't hold), but rather the convention is to not stand in the way of a promotion for those individuals.

AGMs seem to have the green light to interview for GM jobs, but I am not so sure that is the case for GMs interviewing for GM jobs.

No inside knowledge, just an observation I was going to make when this became a discussion point.

I don't think there's any such distinction at all. There was never any time between Lou L's gigs, from NJ to Toronto and from Toronto to NYI, and he was generally moving laterally.

[getbak]

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Don't like those names, but maybe they were picked because they make Conroy look even better.