[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[GioforPM]

Yeah. There seems to be an awful lot of reliance on something Friedman was told about a phone call that happened 8 months ago. By someone who probably has a vested interest.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

This whole cap circumvention hoopla is getting out of hand. For once I would like to see the NHL do something. Once Tampa exploited the loophole other GMs were licking their lips.

I think VGK knew they were in a bind and hoped it would just go through without Dadonov objecting.

[sureLoss]

Dadonov is listed as a scratch for Vegas tonight

https://twitter.com/user/status/1506414854680154112

[cannon7]

Here's an archive of the Vegas Golden Knights CapFriendly page from March 12th, it shows Dadonov with an NTC:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220312.../goldenknights

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Here's an archive of the Vegas Golden Knights CapFriendly page from March 12th, it shows Dadonov with an NTC:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220312.../goldenknights

Nobody is disputing that a NTC was/is part of his contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Nobody is disputing that a NTC was/is part of his contract.

Well if there is no dispute that he has an NTC, and we know that he didn't want to waive it, then the conversation is over, no?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well if there is no dispute that he has an NTC, and we know that he didn't want to waive it, then the conversation is over, no?

Yes, because I'm sick of explaining it over and over.

[transplant99]

Yeah the question isnt IF he has a NTC, he does.

What is in question is if Ottawa forwarded the correct list of NTC teams when they sent him to Vegas....cause apparently that is how these things are tracked.

The NTC/NMC clauses of any contracts are not registered with central registry....which I find is both mind boggling and completely ridiculous since they are responsible for making sure each and every deal is under their purview to allow or deny.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Aah! But is he listed as a scratch for Anaheim?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah the question isnt IF he has a NTC, he does.

What is in question is if Ottawa forwarded the correct list of NTC teams when they sent him to Vegas....cause apparently that is how these things are tracked.

The NTC/NMC clauses of any contracts are not registered with central registry....which I find is both mind boggling and completely ridiculous since they are responsible for making sure each and every deal is under their purview to allow or deny.

The claim by Vegas is that Ottawa told them that Dadonov had missed his deadline to provide an NTC list and therefore the NTC expired because it was not renewed properly. Except he had registered it and can prove it. So either there was a miscommunication (eg Ottawa was just saying it didn’t affect their trade) or Ottawa was wrong/lying.

[MrMike]

Vegas just happened to find the correct paper work...

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The key points in that clause state that “when the unfit-to-play Player is once again fit to play”, …, “the Club shall once again be required to reduce its Average Club Salary to a level at or below the Upper Limit”. Once they are fit to play, not once they are activated from IR, not once the team has cap space, but once the player is fit to play. Teams are responsible for ensuring that they are cap compliant by the time a player is medically fit to return. So if reports that Martinez is fit to play are true, then the VGK are in violation of the letter of this rule as well as clearly being in violation of its intent, and the NHL should immediately apply the prescribed penalties for violation of this rule.

That's just your opinion [what the key points are]. We can all presume the intention of these rules, but lawyers get paid to argue about the ambiguous and sometimes contradictory language in contracts.

[GioforPM]

I agree that the “fit to play” issue is hard to prove, especially when numerous teams have been criticized for playing guys too early (see Edmonton).

I think the crunch will come when a team holds a guy out on LTIR for cap reasons and the player wants back in. They might be playing for a contract or needing more points to enter UFA, or maybe if they are an older player, close to a bonus stat.

[old-fart]

There is no dispute that he has a NTC. There doesn't appear to be any dispute that he submitted his list of 10 teams prior to the July 1st 2021 deadline - or his NTC would have been void. There doesn't seem to be any dispute that Anaheim is on that list of 10 teams that he did submit.

So the real question appears to be "did Ottawa tell Vegas (and/or the NHL office) that he had a 10 team NTC, and which teams were on that 10 team list".

I haven't seen any actual evidence other than "someone said Vegas was mislead on the trade call last July". Vegas has had 8-ish months to confirm what the status of that NTC was, either with the player or his agent, and they absolutely should have if they were entertaining the idea of trading the player to gain cap space, and they absolutely should have had it crystal clear prior to trade deadline day, and super duper should have before the 11th hour on trade deadline day.

Was Ottawa a used car salesman last July? Maybe. Buyer beware and all that. Stupid of them if they knowingly misled Vegas, especially since Vegas wasn't on the list and there are only so many other people you can trade with. Ask Kevin Lowe what it's like to make deals when everyone else in the league knows you are a jackass that will go back on a deal when you decide to try and recoup signing bonuses from the player. Makes zero sense for Ottawa to say "ya he's got a 10 team NTC, we got the list, it doesn't impact this transaction at all since Vegas isn't on the list... but let's lie about it because... reasons...".

Was Vegas derelict in their obligations to have their poop in a group prior to attempting to execute on a trade that is apparently critical for them to get cap compliant? I wonder...

[driveway]

I'm really looking forward to the Vegas - Ottawa lawsuit when trade conversations, notes, and possibly recordings of phone calls get entered into the public record. It might be the best look we'll ever get at exactly what gets said during those conversations and calls.

[MrMike]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/corresp...ork-correctly/

“Evidence emerged on Tuesday that there is correspondence proving the no-trade paperwork at the core of the Evgenii Dadonov trade dispute was filed correctly and on time, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, adding to the uncertainty over whether or not a deal between the Vegas Golden Knights and Anaheim Ducks will go through.”

[Reign of Fire]

Must be killing Gary to rule against his beloved Vegas, why else would this take so long?

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Must be killing Gary to rule against his beloved Vegas, why else would this take so long?

Is it Monday yet?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

That's just your opinion [what the key points are]. We can all presume the intention of these rules, but lawyers get paid to argue about the ambiguous and sometimes contradictory language in contracts.

Well, this is a forum based on opinions. Let’s call them the points relevant to the current dispute. Can you find something in the wording that would contradict these points?

[Robbob]

Heard on the radio that the tax difference between Vegas and Anaheim could be close to 900k for the duration of the contract. Could see why California is probably on his no trade list.