I might not even be the same person if they didn't exist. The trilogy as a whole was hugely influential on my young life.
Now if someone could go back in time to 2012 and warn Lucas of the future of his franchise if he makes that deal, well then we would be in a better place today.
I might not even be the same person if they didn't exist. The trilogy as a whole was hugely influential on my young life.
Now if someone could go back in time to 2012 and warn Lucas of the future of his franchise if he makes that deal, well then we would be in a better place today.
Remember to hold his hair when he hurls.
Empire and Jedi were getting made regardless. The was no such thing as a Star Wars fan when A New Hope made a zillion dollars. It was getting sequels.
The "fans" are why we have everything else, which is mostly trash.
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Vader looking for that confrontation and using whatever is around him to bring it about by ruthless murder.
Obi fleeing from Vader. Part of it doesn't want to fight his former brother. Maybe what Padme said before her death was bouncing around in his dead. Vader hungering for the fight.
Yeah, Obi-Wan has PTSD, its pretty clear, But think of the trauma that Anakin is suffering from. Burned all over loss of limbs, dead wife. Feeling that he was betrayed and lied to and manipulated by the Jedi "In my mind the Jedi are evil".
I'm almost hoping that we get a cameo from Palpatine talking to Vader
"Then Master I snapped a kid's neck and terrified a village to draw him out"
Palpatine - "Um, ok, I mean the villagers are meaningless, but seriously"
Vader - "Then I beat the crap out of Obi-Wan and threw him in a fire to feel my pain, then he got away so I can make him keep suffering"
Palpatine - "Um you know you have other jobs to do, and we do have a budget here, how about you just cut him in half and move on"
You missed Child Abduction which is a pretty high crime in our society. Obi Wan conspired to abduct the children. Vader still has relatively no idea in this series that this has occurred.
Overall loving it, mostly due to MacGregor and Vader. Small things that bother me are:
Like mentioned, more desert planets. Something Lucas hit right was using a variety of planets/locations. Sure, tattooine is featured, but also Hoth, Dagoba, Naboo, Endor, Yavin, Mustafar, Coruscant, etc…
Why is it so much desert? Literally could have been set on any location, it served no purpose to make it another desert.
Why is Obi-Wan not making a bigger effort to not look exactly like a Jedi? Like, get some different clothes dude.
Obi Wan shares some of the problems of new Star Wars with everything being based around the Skywalkers making the universe feel small and a need to fill in every past plot hole taking away from original storytelling.
Yea, as much I'm enjoying Mando and Obi-Wan, I really wish they'd come up with a sequel series or even a movie trilogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the Skywalker saga.
Just give me an entirely original story that takes place hundreds of years in the future with all new characters, new planets, new ships, etc... SW is a big universe and you could do so much cool stuff in that sandbox without having to tie everything back to the OT.
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Yea, as much I'm enjoying Mando and Obi-Wan, I really wish they'd come up with a sequel series or even a movie trilogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the Skywalker saga.
Just give me an entirely original story that takes place hundreds of years in the future with all new characters, new planets, new ships, etc... SW is a big universe and you could do so much cool stuff in that sandbox without having to tie everything back to the OT.
Isn't Acolyte supposed to be this, but far in the past?
I would soooo be into a pre-prequel series that does some world/lore building with more primitive Jedi and Sith but totally new characters we've never encountered.
The only thing it needs to share with the Skywalker saga is the races/species that are present.
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Isn't Acolyte supposed to be this, but far in the past?
I would soooo be into a pre-prequel series that does some world/lore building with more primitive Jedi and Sith but totally new characters we've never encountered.
The only thing it needs to share with the Skywalker saga is the races/species that are present.
Acolyte is supossed to take place before the rise of Palpatine, which could take place in theory at the time of Darth Plagueis the Master of Sidious. But from what I understand the Acolyte is female, which means we could get an unknown Sith Lord as there's a gap leading up to Tenebous and then Plagueis.
I still want an old republic movie, a time before Bane and the Rule of Two, where we could explore something like the ancient Sith Lords and the 1000 years of Darkness or the Golden Age of the Sith.
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So some thoughts on Vader's arrival and the murder spree in the village.
Its easy to discount it with Vader is evil, he does evil things. But I think that's too simple. I've stated before that we're seeing a different Vader, an angry, vengeful murderous Vader, far different from the somewhat cold and pragmatic Vader that we see in the original movies. And its true, because this isn't quite Vader.
This is Anakin, later on when the Jedi are finished Vader will be able to tamp down and suppress Anakin. But right now, right here, this is Anakin.
So why did Anakin murder indiscriminately, and torture Obi, and commit what we see as evil acts.
Because it goes back to the prequels and the time of Attack of the Clones. Twice in that movie we see Anakin railing against what he perceives as his friend and mentor and father figure holding him back. First when he was talking with Padme on Coruscant. The second time after the death of his mother when he admits to the slaughter of the Tuskens.
Plainly Anakin felt that Obi-Wan limited him, he was the most powerful Jedi out there, and the Jedi code and his master didn't give him permission to use that power.
Then in revenge of the Sith, The Jedi council again limited him. You are on this council, you are not a master, you have no say here.
So now, going forward, after all of the pain and all of the loss, when Anakin in the suit sensed Obi-Wan, he wanted to show that he was beyond the Jedi Code, that he had broken the limits and chains put on him by the Jedi and Obi-Wan. That he was better then one of the mightiest Jedi to ever live in Obi-Wan.
So how could he do that? Well, he showed off his power, and not only that but that he had gotten past the Jedi Code, and past the limits placed on him by his teacher. So he killed. Because Anakin is so driven to this end, morality did not come into play.
Sure, after he showed that he was far more powerful then Obi, Anakin decided to get revenge, and that's when the torture and punishment started. That's why he went from proving that the Jedi were wrong, and wrong about him that he could engage in vengence.
So now, we have this talk about the master learner line in Star Wars and how this fight was lore shattering.
But it might not be.
Frankly two things have to happen, one is that Obi-Wan has to return to Lukes side and convince Vader/Anakin not to chase him. Two, Obi-Wan has to find the force again and become the teacher.
So they're going to fight again, and Kenobi is going to have to find the force again. And beat Vader, but in the middle of this beating, when Obi-Wan has the decided edge. Vader needs to see him dead. So Kenobi is going to realize three things.
1) He still blames himself for Anakin and can't bring himself to kill his former student and brother.
2) He has to convice Vader that he's not a threat or a target.
3) He has to recommit to defend Luke and not leave his side, and not have Anakin turning over Tatooine to find him.
So yes, they are going to fight. Yes Obi-Wan is going to beat up Vader, Obi-wan is going to take one more shot at bringing Anakin back and that hesitation will lead to a moment where Obi-Wan can fake his death and vanish into exile.
If this happens, it will spell the end of Anakin. Why do I say this, why do I think this will allow Vader to tamp down the last of Anakin? Because once Anakin has his perceived revenge, his focus will change. The Jedi will get less important and Vader's focus will shift, as Palpatine intended, to securing the Empire, and carrying out his duties to both the Empire and Sith. He will move past his anger, hatred and need for revenge, and focus on trying to over come his mater, while carrying out his Imperial orders.
So after this when Vader!!! meets Kenobi, it will be true. Because Obi dominates Vader will acknowledge that Obi-Wan taught him an important lesson.
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That episode was fantastic. Still not a fan of Moses Ingram. Not menacing at all. The other Inquisitor with the helmet is turning kind of annoying and lame too. The Grand Inquisitor was awesome sauce.
Darth Vader in all his glory is what we needed. Knowing it’s Hayden in the suit somehow makes it even better. I immediately noticed the voice of JEJ was a million times better compared to Rogue One, but it makes sense now that I read it was enhanced (or performed) by AI.
Ewan’s acting has been great, and little Leia is holding her own.
As clumsy and random as blasters are supposed to be, Obi sure is racking up the kill count with them. And that’s with crappy stormtrooper equipment, imagine what he could do with Han’s piece.
Obi-Wan was just beening elitist, I think that's now the only way to interpret that scene.
The general consensus is that people are enjoying this series, but I'm finding it remarkably average television. However, since I don't want to go and stomp on everyone's joy I will list everything I like about the show.
1. Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan.
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The general consensus is that people are enjoying this series, but I'm finding it remarkably average television. However, since I don't want to go and stomp on everyone's joy I will list everything I like about the show.
1. Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan.
You didn't enjoy JEJ's voice rejuvenated, and Hayden rampaging through a village trying to draw out Obi-Wan? He literally snapped a kid's neck with The Force!
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You didn't enjoy JEJ's voice rejuvenated, and Hayden rampaging through a village trying to draw out Obi-Wan? He literally snapped a kid's neck with The Force!
I'd say I missed about 50% of it because I was looking at my computer for something more interesting than what was happening on my television. I didn't know Vader snapped a kid's neck until I caught up on this thread.
I'm starting to think this Star Wars extended universe falls flat for a guy like me who has never consumed anything apart from the movies and the Disney+ series'. And half of that content has been miserable, so I'm conditioned to tune out quicker than the more invested SW fan.
I find the story boring, the villains cartoonish, and the acting wooden apart from McGregor's performance. I'll try not to keep complaing in this thread as the series goes along because most seem to really enjoy it.
Just my POV.
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The little lady is the most watchable kid on a TV series in a while.
Certainly a show getting carried by the acting, and maybe that's as much as we should've expected. Hopefully the writing has some twists in it for the second half.
Just watched the first but does it get better? Nothing happened and what did happen seemed so forced.
To me absolutely it does. The first episode is just all about character establishment, and Kenobi's state of mind.
I don't think anyone should have expected that they would jump into Kenobi cutting down people with his laser sword with saying Hello there over and over again.
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To me absolutely it does. The first episode is just all about character establishment, and Kenobi's state of mind.
I don't think anyone should have expected that they would jump into Kenobi cutting down people with his laser sword with saying Hello there over and over again.
I could watch 55 minutes of nothing but this every single week.
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Just watched the first but does it get better? Nothing happened and what did happen seemed so forced.
What happened with show is that were getting ready to film it with the original scripts by Hossein Amini but just as they were starting the first episode, Disney cancelled it because the director talked to the Mandalorian team and they all thought they were just telling the same story all over again - a Protector watching over a young Jedi against some Tusken raiders and boring native threats.
The first episode is a leftover vestige of that original idea before they scrapped and and went away and rewrote everything to be "bigger and bolder".
This is one case where Disney made the right decision instead of blindly going forward.
I could watch 55 minutes of nothing but this every single week.
No I want to see him being old, grumpy, hopeless, beaten down, stealing tuna, and being forced to drink blue milk every week - old Luke all over again.
No I want to see him being old, grumpy, hopeless, beaten down, stealing tuna, and being forced to drink blue milk every week - old Luke all over again.
I'd rather see him running con games like 3 card monte. Ripping off people in the back alleys using his jedi mind tricks, and getting blisteringly drunk every night.
Old Ben Ben needs rent money.
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