Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If BT gives them a 2nd to not take Gio he should be fired immediately.

Isn’t this in the wrong thread.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

No Klefbom?

Hahaha FU Oilers.

To me, this list looks like all players whose careers are assumed to be over.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Isn’t this in the wrong thread.

To talk about who Seattle might take from Calgary in the expansion draft?

What thread should be used?


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[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If BT gives them a 2nd to not take Gio he should be fired immediately.

If we are hellbent on protecting Gio and/or making sure he’s not picked, easiest way out is to move Hanifin before draft for a scoring forward. Yes, creates a hole on d but you have to hope that tanev can partner with Valimaki and bring him up to speed, which he was able to do with Quinn Hughes. But no more giving up draft capital given all the squandering that has happened in the past few years.

[Iggy Snipe]

Calgary is not going to "try" and have Gio not picked, or give up anything to persuade Seattle to take someone else.

If Gio gets selected by Seattle, we should all jump up and down, and high five. I just don't see Calgary trying to protect him, but I even more so don't see why Seattle would want him, besides the experience and leadership. I am sure they can find a lot of other ways to spend 6.75 million.

Gio is a step behind out there now, and thats what age does to you in this fast game. This is the part of the contract (the last couple of years), that is usually the toughest to stomach, and it has certainly been hard to watch Gio this past season.

Another point is, if Calgary is going to take a step forward, Gio can not be around anymore, and certainly not be the Captain. Calgary fans can only hope this starts this season, and we don't have to wait two more years to see a passing of the torch.

If Calgary and management truly want to change the tides, it starts with changing the leadership.

Anyone think Lucic would be a good Captain for a couple of years?

[ComixZone]

^ Gio is a step behind who at this stage?

2018 Gio? Yes.

The majority of NHL defenceman? No.

He’s still one of the better defencemen in the league and our best defenceman outright.

I’m not saying the Flames should spend assets to protect him. It’s a weird spot for this team to be in. They seem to want to continue to compete (…as competitive as a non-playoff team can be), yet they’re poised to lose their best defenceman. This team just isn’t well positioned.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Anyone think Lucic would be a good Captain for a couple of years?

#### no.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

^ Gio is a step behind who at this stage?

2018 Gio? Yes.

The majority of NHL defenceman? No.

He’s still one of the better defencemen in the league and our best defenceman outright.

I’m not saying the Flames should spend assets to protect him. It’s a weird spot for this team to be in. They seem to want to continue to compete (…as competitive as a non-playoff team can be), yet they’re poised to lose their best defenceman. This team just isn’t well positioned.

Agreed.

If Seattle picks up Gio in the expansion draft, Calgary will be a worse team next year, all things else being equal. In other words, the extra cap space won’t improve on what Gio would bring to us next year.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Anyone think Lucic would be a good Captain for a couple of years?

While I think we all believe that Lucic is so much better than expected, it still remains that he’s a very below average player. He is still, though, a viable NHL player as long as he gets sheltered 8-10 minutes per game.

But a captain? I think not.


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[cannon7]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed.

If Seattle picks up Gio in the expansion draft, Calgary will be a worse team next year, all things else being equal. In other words, the extra cap space won’t improve on what Gio would bring to us next year.


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You can't ice a team with cap space. Sure.

And I don't trust Treliving to spend that cap space wisely.

But there are some intriguing UFA blueliners.

I don't want Treliving to give up any additional assets to steer the Kraken. Just let them take who they're gonna take and move on.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed.

If Seattle picks up Gio in the expansion draft, Calgary will be a worse team next year, all things else being equal. In other words, the extra cap space won’t improve on what Gio would bring to us next year.


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I would be more worried about Treliving using that cap space to sign a big contract over the summer.
If it's a 1 year deal, sure, why not.

But the Flames are relying on the cap space for the following season to re-sign Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Monahan the next year. Lindholm and Hanafin the next.

And Treliving is in a tough spot. If the Flames miss the playoffs this upcoming season, he's likely done. So if Gio was claimed by Seattle, Treliving would probably feel the need to sign someone this summer in an effort to compete. Again, a 1-year deal for someone would make the most sense. Either that or a trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

^ Gio is a step behind who at this stage?

2018 Gio? Yes.

The majority of NHL defenceman? No.

He’s still one of the better defencemen in the league and our best defenceman outright.

I’m not saying the Flames should spend assets to protect him. It’s a weird spot for this team to be in. They seem to want to continue to compete (…as competitive as a non-playoff team can be), yet they’re poised to lose their best defenceman. This team just isn’t well positioned.

I still see Gio as an asset, so if you pay, you just need to be confident that you can recoup that value at the TDL. Which requires you to predict Gio’s play somewhat, and also the market. TBL paid a first and a third to rent Savard (and they also got an AHL D). But other rental Ds got far less.

[Badgers Nose]

I'm dreading the Drafts. The prospect of losing our captain seems like another wasted opportunity.

If Gio is taken, wouldn't that be a wasted asset? Surley BT could have moved him at the deadline for a pick or two.

For a non playoff team, isn't the ideal exposure list one full of guys that didn't work out (Kylington), or upside down contracts (Lucic)? i.e. no one of real value?

This team has been bad for a while. I think BT should have been more aggressive trading for picks. Knowing Gio would get taken, giving him some say on where he could go an maybe win a cup while getting any picks at all would have been smarter.

Maybe Gio really wants to go to Seattle?

I can see Gio being the Kraken's Engelland. Heart and Soul in the early days.

[powderjunkie]

The only teams that have empty D slots are terrible and rebuilding...pretty tough to move him for value before the ED.

Losing a 38 yo on the final year of a pretty big AAV contract? Sounds like a pretty ideal scenario if you take emotions out of it.

If we are that dependent on a 38 yo to be remotely competitive, it should be a clear indicator that it's time to change course.


If we opened up that capspace, I hope we take a bad AAV with a young sweetener attached (though there aren't many obvious options with only 1 yr term)...Gostisbehere has 2 yrs left and would fill a need on the PP. Ghost+pick/prospect. Sign me up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Gio is taken, wouldn't that be a wasted asset? Surley BT could have moved him at the deadline for a pick or two.

Likely not, as his contract was not expiring. Perhaps if they took back a year of dead money. But not many contenders can fit in $6.75M of a continuing cap hit.


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[Reggie Dunlop]

I think the Flames are grooming Connor Mackey to fill Giordano's slot. He's already passed Kylington on the depth chart.

The Flames are prepared to lose either Kylington or Giordano. No sense trying to sweeten the pot by floating a pick/prospect to entice Seattle to take one or the other.

Cap savings can be applied up front if it's Giordano taken. Mackey will want a raise but I can't see it being massive.

[FlamesAddiction]

Giordano's contract in its entirety was a good contract, but like most long term contracts, the tail end is an overpayment for what the player actually brings and Giordano is clearly in that part now. While he is still a good player and not an anchor by any means, by the start of next season, he will be older and still likely on a downward trajectory and declines at his age tend to not be gradual.

Or he could be one of those rare freaks of nature that manages to kick father time's butt for a while. Counting on that isn't a great strategy though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I still see Gio as an asset, so if you pay, you just need to be confident that you can recoup that value at the TDL. Which requires you to predict Gio’s play somewhat, and also the market. TBL paid a first and a third to rent Savard (and they also got an AHL D). But other rental Ds got far less.

I think Seattle would be plenty of aware of this, so there’s nothing stopping them from asking Calgary for the rental rate that Gio would return at the deadline - which lines up with the rumblings that Seattle is asking for a fortune to protect any players league-wide.

Seattle just needs to ask Calgary for a 1st and a 3rd, or perhaps just the 1st…and Calgary just can’t do that. There’s simply no reason for Seattle to ask for any less.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think Seattle would be plenty of aware of this, so there’s nothing stopping them from asking Calgary for the rental rate that Gio would return at the deadline - which lines up with the rumblings that Seattle is asking for a fortune to protect any players league-wide.

Seattle just needs to ask Calgary for a 1st and a 3rd, or perhaps just the 1st…and Calgary just can’t do that. There’s simply no reason for Seattle to ask for any less.

My guess is that they are asking for that but have plans to pick Kylington anyway.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think Seattle would be plenty of aware of this, so there’s nothing stopping them from asking Calgary for the rental rate that Gio would return at the deadline - which lines up with the rumblings that Seattle is asking for a fortune to protect any players league-wide.

Seattle just needs to ask Calgary for a 1st and a 3rd, or perhaps just the 1st…and Calgary just can’t do that. There’s simply no reason for Seattle to ask for any less.

So then no. My premise is that you don’t do it unless it’s a clear bargain compared to what the TDL would provide for Gio. Because there’s a lot of road before the TDL and things could go wrong.

My bet is they blink before Treliving does, or there’s no deal. Treliving’s walked away from deals before.