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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The character of the team has been weak under 3 coaches.
Maybe it's their actual character.
Edit: Actually 4 coaches. Though Hartley got something out of the group, they then tuned him out.

Treliving brought in or drafted 15 out of the 20 guys who laced them up tonight. Maybe once he has his finger prints on all 20 we will have a Stanley Cup contender.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Symptom of just not being mentally ready.

Isn't that part of what a coach is supposed to do?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Btw, Flames haven't scored the first goal of the game in six consecutive games. Yes, that obviously goes beyond the COVID break. But it's a puzzling and frustrating trend with this team.

On the broadcast they were talking about how many come from behind wins we’ve had, and all I could think was “I feel like we lead this stat every single year”. Show up on time consistently already.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Isn't that part of what a coach is supposed to do?

A coach can only do so much.
At some point players decide if they are committed or not.
I'm continued to be surprised how many people are willing to let the players off the hook and blame anyone else.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well we know with this organization instability has bred mediocrity.
Why not try something different.

Because you don't just take a bet that making the architect of mediocrity the stable state will eliminate the mediocrity.

But truly the problem is higher up, and it's not only this GM. This will never change. The Flames are content to be slightly better than previous iterations and don't compare themselves to the league they're in.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

Because you don't just take a bet that making the architect of mediocrity the stable state will eliminate the mediocrity. That is illogical.

Well when you say it that way yes.
But that's your narrative. Which is different than mine.
I believe the players are driving the mediocrity.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If I had to pick three keys going forward:

-Taking less penalties than the last two
-Getting out of first periods not behind on the board /surrendering first goal
-Tkachuk making an impact on the stats sheet

Not really something they can fully control, unfortunately.

Well, I take that back a bit. Rinaldo was unnecessary. Bennet debatable. Not everybody who gets cross checked jostling for position hits the deck

Yeah, Tkachuk needs to back his talk up on the ice

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

On the broadcast they were talking about how many come from behind wins we’ve had, and all I could think was “I feel like we lead this stat every single year”. Show up on time consistently already.

Yeah # of come from behind wins isn't a good stat like it's positioned.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Treliving brought in or drafted 15 out of the 20 guys who laced them up tonight. Maybe once he has his finger prints on all 20 we will have a Stanley Cup contender.

Tbf he never really had a full rebuild to work with but made an error of judgement going all in too soon with the Hamonic trade and giving up seconds for smith and Lazar. Idk if he will be retained but I still would like to see what he would do with a full rebuild. I’ve liked our drafting since he’s been here

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A coach can only do so much.
At some point players decide if they are committed or not.
I'm continued to be surprised how many people are willing to let the players off the hook and blame anyone else.

You can start with the captain of our team.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well we know with this organization instability has bred mediocrity.
Why not try something different.

Indeed, like hiring a head coach with a proven track record for once, instead of going the cheap route over and over. The last time the Flames hired a league-recognized top coach, they went to the Finals. But the lesson was clearly not learned.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well when you say it that way yes.
But that's your narrative. Which is different than mine.
I believe the players are driving the mediocrity.

And who makes those players the pillar of the team? Themselves? My "narrative" is the results. So I'll stand with those over an experiment.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Indeed, like hiring a head coach with a proven track record for once, instead of going the cheap route over and over. The last time the Flames hired a league-recognized top coach, they went to the Finals. But the lesson was clearly not learned.

Eh that's not really true. The last time they hired a league-renowned coach, they got Brent. It doesn't always work out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

And who makes those players the pillar of the team? Themselves?

Which is why i'm saying you change the core.
I think 3 years ago no one would have questioned building around this group.
Now we know that isn't going to work.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Blow it up - this group has zero chance to do any playoff damage. The weakest, most mentally fragile team there is.

No that's Toronto

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Indeed, like hiring a head coach with a proven track record for once, instead of going the cheap route over and over. The last time the Flames hired a league-recognized top coach, they went to the Finals. But the lesson was clearly not learned.

?

They hired two guys with Cup rings

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A coach can only do so much.
At some point players decide if they are committed or not.
I'm continued to be surprised how many people are willing to let the players off the hook and blame anyone else.

I'm definitely not letting the players off the hook. I think this team needs an overhaul on the ice and behind the bench. Player changes are a virtual certainty, but I don't trust management to not cheap out on coaching again, and we'll be right back on this merry-go-round in two more years staring down a full scorched earth rebuild.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A coach can only do so much.
At some point players decide if they are committed or not.
I'm continued to be surprised how many people are willing to let the players off the hook and blame anyone else.

It's because we keep hire crappy coaches though. I'm definitely placing the blame on the players as well though, it's not the right roster. It's also not the right coach. Every coach we hire and then let go is done as an NHL head coach.

Darryl Sutter is the ONLY coach we've had that has gone on to be a head coach at the NHL level again since...oh crap, it's worse than I thought. Pierre Page.

Pierre Page was the last head coach we had that went on to be a head coach elsewhere in the league - and he only managed one more season. He left us, coached the Ducks for one year - and was then gone.

This is an organizational issue. This team doesn't pay for good coaches, or the management has been so bad that coaches don't want to come here.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Not really something they can fully control, unfortunately.

Well, I take that back a bit. Rinaldo was unnecessary. Bennet debatable. Not everybody who gets cross checked jostling for position hits the deck

Yeah, Tkachuk needs to back his talk up on the ice

They can (eliminate the egregious ones) if they skate away from scrums without taking a cheap shot

That, at least, is in their control.

Should limit the penalties to a reasonable amount.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Eh that's not really true. The last time they hired a league-renowned coach, they got Brent. It doesn't always work out.

and before that Keenan...