[News] Flames done for the day. Gustafsson, Davidson, Forbort only deals

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Buff

I really don't get why people are so upset that we didn't make big moves.

Why should Treliving have made big moves? The core of this team is horribly broken this year. That is something to be fixed in the off season. Not now. Why mortgage valuable picks to add to the team to make them better? It won't work. The best players need to be the best players night in and night out, shift in and shift out, but they aren't. That is something to be addressed in the off season.

We have been clearly bad at defense since losing Giordano and Hamonic to injuries. So we got defensive depth. Treliving's moves have essentially told the guys that big changes aren't happening right now but here is some depth, now go out and play better and prove to me why I shouldn't trade you in the off season.

We all want a big trade that fixes everything, but looking around at all the deals done in the last few, I don't see one that makes me go "Damn I wish we did that!"

The Trochek and Kovalchuk ones come close but I don't really feel like we missed out on much

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the last run for this group barring winning rounds of the playoffs. Basically Treliving built a team in the summer of 2018 making a big trade and signing Ryan and Neal. Those moves proved positive but he painted himself into a corner cap wise. While the Neal signing was addressing a need that remains today it was a poor fit. Signing that deal made it impossible to acquire Mark Stone and sign him to an extension while also signing Tkachuk in the summer.

Treliving then at the 11th hour is able to flip Frolik and a 1st for Jason Zucker. The day seemed saved and the Flames added a long term top 6’winger but the trade fell through at the last minute.

Needing to sign Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich, Mangipane with little to no space they sat on the sidelines this summer. Right before the draft Treliving appeared to address the top 6 need again by acquiring Kadri for Brodie and Jankowski except Kadri doesn’t waive his NMC. The Flames are able to get a player to waive his NMC last summer though adding Lucic for Neal. A complete dud for dud but Lucic had been a dud longer.

So Neal, Hathaway, Fattenburg, Smith leave Valimaki gets hurt. Lucic, Talbot, Reider, Rinaldo are inn Dube and Kylington make the team. The same group continues their poor play from the last 1/4 of the 18/19 season and Frolik is moved out for Forbort basically and a 3rd got us Gustafsson but we might get another 3rd if Neal scores 2 goals.


So basically 2 full seasons with this group and they have been trending down since the bye week in 2019. The way this core is trending it is going to be a potentially frustrating 6 weeks left in the season and possibly first round of the playoffs if they are lucky. What we can absolutely expect this summer if that is the case is major changes. New coach almost guaranteed. Major core piece or pieces will certainly be traded. There is even a small chance the GM is let go.

He hasn’t been able to make moves for 2 years and by all accounts this team is simply not good enough!!!’

This could basically go onto the wikipedia page for this season. Perfect summary.

I think my biggest concern is that we may only see one big move this summer, when a proper re-tool may require multiple deals. I just hope BT has done a lot of the legwork in determining the fair market value of potential sell targets (most likely Gaudreau, Hanifin), so that he doesn't have to hesitate very much to pull the trigger.

[TheScorpion]

Treliving just made a very strange analogy on the radio about buying milk and soup, did anyone else catch that?

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Treliving just made a very strange analogy on the radio about buying milk and soup, did anyone else catch that?

Yeah not sure what he was trying to say, other than they needed to add D because of the injuries.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

So Tre moved out Frolik for cap space which he ..... forgot about?
After saying he was going to use it?

Oh, I guess saving Murry (expat) Edwards some cash is good enough then. For sure that improves the team and helps them win a Cup. So tired of Mr Almost now.

Umm, he did use it. Today.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

So Tre moved out Frolik for cap space which he ..... forgot about?
After saying he was going to use it?

Oh, I guess saving Murry (expat) Edwards some cash is good enough then. For sure that improves the team and helps them win a Cup. So tired of Mr Almost now.

He added about $2.5 m to the salary cap today.

[TheScorpion]

Another weird food reference on Fan 960. "The imported cheese is expensive"

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Buff

I really don't get why people are so upset that we didn't make big moves.

Why should Treliving have made big moves? The core of this team is horribly broken this year. That is something to be fixed in the off season. Not now. Why mortgage valuable picks to add to the team to make them better? It won't work. The best players need to be the best players night in and night out, shift in and shift out, but they aren't. That is something to be addressed in the off season.

We have been clearly bad at defense since losing Giordano and Hamonic to injuries. So we got defensive depth. Treliving's moves have essentially told the guys that big changes aren't happening right now but here is some depth, now go out and play better and prove to me why I shouldn't trade you in the off season.

To shake this team up and give the core a chance to make some noise in the playoffs. To be clear, I like that Tre bolstered the blue line today and I like that no major futures were moved. However, not getting a return or a hockey trade for one of Brodie or Hamonic stings. Gio looks to be returning soon as well which will alleviate our current defence situation so I guess the bright spot is we’ll have a lot of defencemen come playoff time if they make it.

[Monahammer]

Trocheck was the big miss today. Checks all of the boxes (except maybe height!) Was available. Traded for quantity pieces instead of quality.

Otherwise I think we just watched the sad end to another flames season. Wonder what the offseason has in store.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I guess we could've traded our first for Barclay Goodrow. Prices were insane. Not sure why people expect or even want an impact move when this team clearly isn't a contender.

Great, but then go the other way and sell Brodie because "prices were insane", don't expend picks for a nothing season.

[CgyFlamesftw]

While I agree treliving is on my short leash, the over reaction around here is unbearable when comes to trades. Go look at the Hamilton/lindholm trade thread, 90% of posters hated it with a passion. Now lindholm is a stud and I would take him over Monahan everyday and twice on Sunday. How about we see how these Defenseman play out, Gus has potential to be a steal.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Another weird food reference on Fan 960. "The imported cheese is expensive"

Hmmm.... Processed Cheese?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trocheck was the big miss today. Checks all of the boxes (except maybe height!) Was available. Traded for quantity pieces instead of quality.

Otherwise I think we just watched the sad end to another flames season. Wonder what the offseason has in store.

The sad end to the Flames season? Am I on an Oilers forum?

Give me a break, this team is in the thick of things and if our top guys can just start playing like our top guys, we can easily make the playoffs and go to the top of the division. Yes a trade to help the top 6 with a right shot, RW would have been nice but this season is far from over.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder how hard Treliving goes after getting the new Dmen extended?

These aren't depth guys like Fantanberg last year, they are 20 minute per game Dmen both with traits the Flames need. Gus being an offensive guy and Forbort beig a big physical presence who can skate.

Anybody with guesses on what they'd be looking at for extensions?

[ComixZone]

My biggest point of relief today isn't that we kept our 1st and 2nd - it's that we kept Hanifin and Bennett. Both of these guys are getting bigger roles - Bennett through effort, Hanifin through attrition, and both are stepping up huge.

Genuinely intrigued to see Gustafsson in a Flames jersey.

Not the biggest fan of the Forbort acquisition...although more Simpsons jokes are always welcomed.

Tree's cold streak continues for me. Pretty bad year for him from a roster management perspective - but it's not like there haven't been other struggles.

My big judgement on him will come when he resolves the coaching position, and how he handles the draft and free agency (naturally) - but his cold streak continued on through today, and that's a disappointment. In my eyes, he's turned from an up and coming GM who we knew was killing himself with effort while executing - to a GM that hasn't executed to an acceptable level for nearly 2 years.

Hoping he kills it this summer, and I hope Gustafsson earns a spot in the long-term plan.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

While I agree treliving is on my short leash, the over reaction around here is unbearable when comes to trades. Go look at the Hamilton/lindholm trade thread, 90% of posters hated it with a passion. Now lindholm is a stud and I would take him over Monahan everyday and twice on Sunday. How about we see how these Defenseman play out, Gus has potential to be a steal.

I for one have no problem acquiring both Forbort and Gustaffson. I think both are reasonable pickups and have decent chances of overperforming their acquisition costs.

My personal problem is that we didn't go ahead and trade brodie when the market was going gangbusters and management clearly knows this team isn't a competitor. Brodie gets us a 1st+ today easy. Poor asset management for unclear reasons- maybe to save face and try and push for a playoff spot? Just seems like double talk- they clearly know the roster isn't worth upgrading at this point with what was available, and Brodie isn't likely to re-sign, so why the F would you hold on to him...

[Vinny01]

Carolina has an exciting day. 2 top 4 Dmen (one long term) and a top 6 center (with term) for picks, prospects and a pending UFA

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I for one have no problem acquiring both Forbort and Gustaffson. I think both are reasonable pickups and have decent chances of overperforming their acquisition costs.

My personal problem is that we didn't go ahead and trade brodie when the market was going gangbusters and management clearly knows this team isn't a competitor. Brodie gets us a 1st+ today easy. Poor asset management for unclear reasons- maybe to save face and try and push for a playoff spot? Just seems like double talk- they clearly know the roster isn't worth upgrading at this point with what was available, and Brodie isn't likely to re-sign, so why the F would you hold on to him...

I've speculated it a few times today but my guess is it's ownership telling management that they are expected to make the playoffs no matter what. I bet Brodie is long gone if Hamonic never got injured

[The Familia]

Nothing to get upset about here. This is a mediocre team doing mediocre things. I don't think anyone could have thought otherwise. This team will either barely miss the playoffs or just squeak in. Whatever happens they will continue to float in mediocrity. Never taking the next step forward but never sliding to the bottom.

This trade deadline just solidifies this franchise's inability to do do anything of substance. It's wasn't a terrible day and it definitely wasn't a day to remember. Just another "meh" day in the world of the Calgary Flames.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

In my eyes, he's turned from an up and coming GM who we knew was killing himself with effort while executing - to a GM that hasn't executed to an acceptable level for nearly 2 years.

This definitely plays into it- the "expectation" level he set with us at the beginning was pretty high, and it appears lately that his effort/execution has been very poor. Whether that's a communications issue (i.e. he's not adequately displaying to the fan base his intentions or efforts) or actually indicative of the work he's doing is hard for us to say. There is some gamesmanship involved for sure. It certainly feels different from when he began though and that is a problem IMO. The results are certainly very poor.

I know we just renewed his contract, but if they fail to miss the playoffs I think he gets canned before he can trade Johnny and Mony. You only get so much rope and right now he's got quite a noose tied up there.