Nick Sandmann MAGA Kid Thread

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Is anti-racist code for "anyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist"?

Are you trying to be tongue in cheek funny and failing or are you that big of a simpleton?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You've heard of Google? You can look up names quickly now, amazing website. Every prospective future employer will take the 15 seconds to look up his name, same with Tinder dates. He can't scrub that. He can't close his eyes and hope it goes away. He's almost forced to file the lawsuit if for no other reason to make it absolutely clear that he was a victim of defamation, or at least he believe so.

So you had to look it up. Thought as much. By time Sandmann gets through school and is ready for the workforce six years or more will have passed. That information will be so far down the rabbit hole it won't register. For example, I used a very uncommon name from a high profile event (attempted murder) that made weeks worth of headlines five years ago in one of the largest media markets in the US, and it didn't even make the first 100 hits for my search. It faded into the woodwork. Why would this be any different? I'm not certain that some report from six years ago is going to trump that Ivy League degree or the recommendations of his frat brothers. People like this don't get jobs through regular channels, so I don't see how this is going to follow him around. It might, but a kid with an Ivy League degree has an advantage that most don't and dirt doesn't stick to them very often.

Also, you pointing to an actual racist and trying to compare the two is exactly why the defamation suit might have some legitimate legs. You, despite all the evidence to the contrary, still believe Nick Sandmann is on the same level as a grown adult attending a white supremacy rally.

Actually, I don't. Where does the racism claim come from here? Is it because of the hat? Personally, I don't buy the whole argument of the MAGA hat being a symbol of racism. I kind of developed this feeling after the whole Virginia episode, the fall out from it, and then the wall stuff. I see it more of a symbol of the "me first" generation, people that want their interests served more so than the needs of the whole community, and abdication of responsibility for their actions. Racist? No. Self-centered and self-serving, yes. Different beast.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The MAGA hat isn't about self-interest versus community, it's about trolling. He wore the hat to provoke a reaction which, sure enough, is exactly what happened.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The MAGA hat isn't about self-interest versus community, it's about trolling. He wore the hat to provoke a reaction which, sure enough, is exactly what happened.

There is that component as well. But the whole intent of "Make America Great Again" is not about trolling or racism. It is about achieving everything that Trump believes and stands for. I think the core of that is greed, personal interests, and removing all barriers from achieving personal enrichment. This just happens to be core to the beliefs of a lot of American conservatives as well.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by New Era

By time Sandmann gets through school and is ready for the workforce six years or more will have passed. That information will be so far down the rabbit hole it won't register.

I don't really want to wade into this debate too much, but the above quote isn't all that accurate anymore. I mean ####...John Wayne was "cancelled' yesterday by a bunch of people on Twitter for things he said in an interview decades ago. He's been dead for 40 years! If the last few years have showed us anything, it's that if you have any transgressions or skeletons in your closet, from however long ago, people will dig them up to discredit you or sideline you if it suits their agenda.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I don't really want to wade into this debate too much, but the above quote isn't all that accurate anymore. I mean ####...John Wayne was "cancelled' yesterday by a bunch of people on Twitter for things he said in an interview decades ago. He's been dead for 40 years! If the last few years have showed us anything, it's that if you have any transgressions or skeletons in your closet, from however long ago, people will dig them up to discredit you or sideline you if it suits their agenda.

So don't give them an agenda. Let this go down as a one-off incident and let it die on the vine. Youthful enthusiasm got the better of you as an impressionable 16 year old. But now he's waging full on war. You're right, this type of stuff never goes away, but only because it is going to establish a precedent.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by New Era

So don't give them an agenda. Let this go down as a one-off incident and let it die on the vine. Youthful enthusiasm got the better of you as an impressionable 16 year old. But now he's waging full on war. You're right, this type of stuff never goes away, but only because it is going to establish a precedent.

That's a lot to hope for, especially when your other option is to make so much money you never need anything from anyone ever again.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Matata

That's a lot to hope for, especially when your other option is to make so much money you never need anything from anyone ever again.

Except the potential for that is so slim. This is a first amendment rights case. Tough to win. Payouts are not that big unless you can prove damages. Here are the top examples from 2017.

https://www.imediaethics.org/top-10-...lawsuits-2017/

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by New Era

So don't give them an agenda. Let this go down as a one-off incident and let it die on the vine. Youthful enthusiasm got the better of you as an impressionable 16 year old. But now he's waging full on war. You're right, this type of stuff never goes away, but only because it is going to establish a precedent.

That's the thing though, he's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't. He may be a dickhead, but the media falsely skewed him as some kind of aggressor...and the video proves that he wasn't and they ran with it anyway. There have been a number of journalists putting out articles (The Atlantic, CBC, etc.) admitting they jumped to conclusions and skewered this kid for things he didn't do. The damage is done though, you go onto any left leaning site and read comments regarding this story and this kid is basically Hitler to these people. Yeah he went to a rally that most of us find repulsive, but that's not the issue here. This is going to follow him regardless of whether he fights it or not. If I were him, I'd be filing a lawsuit too.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by New Era

Except the potential for that is so slim. This is a first amendment rights case. Tough to win. Payouts are not that big unless you can prove damages. Here are the top examples from 2017.

https://www.imediaethics.org/top-10-...lawsuits-2017/

Is it? Sounds like he has the best lawyer in the country for this sort of thing, who probably wouldn't have taken this on unless he saw potential for big money, plus he has a ton of potential targets.


e: most of the lawsuits in that article that happened in the US resulted in payouts.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

Except the potential for that is so slim. This is a first amendment rights case. Tough to win. Payouts are not that big unless you can prove damages. Here are the top examples from 2017.

https://www.imediaethics.org/top-10-...lawsuits-2017/

He will get paid millions just to go away when all is said and done.

This the first of what will likely be dozens of lawsuits Im guessing.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't think he'll get too much, maybe a low seven figure settlement. Still nice for him, but I don't see anything too big for him, these are tough cases to win.

[Ashasx]

nm

[icecube]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

icecube is the most overtly racist person on this board.

I get a kick out of the fact that if you were to make a who's who list of "gee I bet that poster is probably racist" it would include you and everyone who thanked your post. A few missing names but pretty funny nonetheless.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by icecube

I get a kick out of the fact that if you were to make a who's who list of "gee I bet that poster is probably racist" it would include you and everyone who thanked your post. A few missing names but pretty funny nonetheless.

you are a massive piece of ####

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm all for the lawsuits not because I think this guy needs millions in compensation, but because in their rush to get stories out within minutes and to pass judgement along tribal lines, the media has been routinely crossing the line into libellous and slanderous territory. If decency and fairness won't restrain them in these over-heated times, maybe punitive lawsuits will.

Complains about "passing judgment along tribal lines"...

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why stop there? Maybe we should discourage employers from hiring practising Catholics altogether. Start with government hiring. Of course, there are more women who are practising Catholics than men. Lots of immigrants too. But sometimes you need to accept collateral damage when you're taking down an enemy.

...passes judgment along tribal lines. And tries really, really hard to be the victim too.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm definitely amazed icecube hasn't been sin binned at any point.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

you are a massive piece of ####

Yeah, but at least I can still look myself in the mirror and know I'm not a racist person. So I have that going for me.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm definitely amazed icecube hasn't been sin binned at any point.

I'm only dishing back what's being served up. Sin bin me and go look back and see how many others are deserving of the same fate.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm definitely amazed icecube hasn't been sin binned at any point.

To be perfectly honest, if icecube deserves a sin binning, so too does a handful of other people in this thread.