HNIC: Nylander officially on the trade block

[Harry Lime]

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Maybe?!??

I totally forgot about Tavares. I was putting him behind Marner. But that's a closer call.

I'm not putting him behind any D or Kadri. I see the argument, but I was being generous.

[Harry Lime]

I don't think Nylander is going to move if the ask is a first round pick, a young top 9 with upside and a stud D.

For a holdout wanting to be overpaid by 2M, who is Torontos 5th best player.

Edit : 6th best player if you include Anderson.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by David Struch

I suggested that maybe the plan is to use one of Elias Lindholm or William Nylander at centre.

Last season:

William Nylander took 650 faceoffs at 51.4%

Elias Lindholm took 793 faceoffs at 54.5%

faceoffs =/= playing centre. When Nylander played centre, it was behind Matthews and Kadri, with pretty mediocre players. He played centre something like 10% of his time. If you think he's ready to jump in at number 2 centre, I disagree.

Your comparison, Lindholm, also was not anywhere near a full time centre, and yet he took about 150 more faceoffs.

[Stay Golden]

Not interested. T.O wants too heavy of a compensation for a player that would rather sit than sign a fair market deal. He is better than average but he is asking 80pt per year money.
Let T.O resolve their own problem, GM's should stand back and wait for the Leafs to come down to move their headache for a more reasonable return.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Lanny McDonald? Phil Kessel?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not to Calgary.

Kessel did very well, and perhaps better than in Toronto, after landing into almost a perfect situation.

The Leafs traded their number one pick (third overall) in 1991 for Tom Kurvers. This turned out to be Scott Neidermayer. However, they could also have picked Peter Forsberg, Kovalev, or Naslund.

In fact, at the time of the trade, the Leafs were on pace to finish dead last. Which would have meant they traded Eric Lindros for Tom Kurvers. They ahd to scramble and make a trade with Quebec to improve the team (and make Quebec worse) to finish a few points out of last place.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Bernie Parent
Rick Kehoe
Randy Carlyle
Russ Courtnall
Doug Jarvis
Darryl Sittler
Jason Smith
Kenny Jonsson
Tuukka Rask

Five year old article. The 25 Worst Trades in Toronto Maple Leafs History:
https://the1jasontaylor.wordpress.co...istory-1-to-5/

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Phil Kessel?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

[Huntsy]

Most I would offer TO is Stone and Backland. But TO wont look at that and I quite frankly would not want Nylander at $7M+. Lived too many years with his fathers up and DOWNS..

[GioforPM]

The thing people need to keep in mind is that all you are getting is signing rights. It's like trading a pending UFA right before July 1, to a team that feels good about signing him (say, Jaybo). Or, put another way, you are trading a guy who you are now committed to paying whatever he wants, because now that Dec. 1 deadline is all yours, and you just spent a bunch of assets to get there. What GM wants that headache?

ETA: Is Toronto allowing potential trade partners to contact Nylander and his agent about the contract?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

ETA: Is Toronto allowing potential trade partners to contact Nylander and his agent about the contract?

They don't need permission. As an unsigned restricted free agent he is allowed to talk to all teams right now.

[Toonage]

Therefore I would imagine any trade for Nylander would come with a new deal already in place.

[GioforPM]

Thanks - I thought they had exclusivity over RFA negotiating. It doesn't sound like any teams have done this. If they have, I suppose he's using them against the Leafs.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The thing people need to keep in mind is that all you are getting is signing rights. It's like trading a pending UFA right before July 1, to a team that feels good about signing him (say, Jaybo). Or, put another way, you are trading a guy who you are now committed to paying whatever he wants, because now that Dec. 1 deadline is all yours, and you just spent a bunch of assets to get there. What GM wants that headache?

ETA: Is Toronto allowing potential trade partners to contact Nylander and his agent about the contract?

I think any trade would require the flames (or any other partner) to have a deal in place before the trade call is made. The power in this is actually with the trading partner in this situation.

[dustygoon]

top 4 D and top nine F? Don't have to worry about deadmonton getting Nylander then.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think any trade would require the flames (or any other partner) to have a deal in place before the trade call is made. The power in this is actually with the trading partner in this situation.

The power against the Leafs is with the trading partner. The power for that trading partner with Nylander is with Nylander.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The power against the Leafs is with the trading partner. The power for that trading partner with Nylander is with Nylander.

Disagree. If the Leafs put a deal in place with Calgary, as a precondition Calgary and Nylander have to a contract in writing. Then Nylander has two choices: Sign or pass. And if Nylander passes, he's taking a huge gamble that (a) The leafs will come back and sign him for themselves - extremely unlikely or (b) Toronto will then find another trade partner for him.

In fact, if Dubas was smart - and all indications are that he is - he would wait until the eleventh hour and say "here's the only trade we can make, but you have to agree to terms. Alternatively, this is our final offer. Pick your poison."

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does anyone remember any player being traded from Toronto that has lived up to the hype? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Alex Steen, Tuukka Rask