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shutout · 03-23-2018, 01:31 PM

Problem with trading a player like Gaudreau is the gap in perception for what he is worth. Say you could negotiate a trade with the Flyers.

Ask would be: Provorov, Patrick, Sanheim, 2018 1st
Be nice to add in Konecny but Flyers probably wouldn't give up the above.
How would you judge a fair return?

What is a fair return for other players?

What is Brodie worth?
If Hamonic was worth a 1st and two 2nds is Brodie worth a 1st and 3rd?

Could you get Marner and Nylander for Hamilton?
Too little? Too much? For whom?

Flamenspiel · 03-23-2018, 01:33 PM

^^You don't trade Gaudreau. The Flames need more high end players, not less.

Trading your best players is an Oilers(and Habs) strategy, lets not get into that. The Flames simply don't match up to good teams throughout the lineup, certainly some of that will improve with experience, the rest has to come from the available cap space being freed up in the off season.

Bingo · 03-23-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol, i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings is one step below you calling me a hysterical canucks fan.

I've been pretty straight forward, and you've thought I've changed the conversation three different times.

Seems like a person a little choked that a person has a differing view and isn't withering with your machine gun style reply.

CliffFletcher · 03-23-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree, his grit level this year was as low as anyone elses. We haven't seen Vancouver series Ferland since....the Vancouver series.

And to be Frank, aside from his good two fiths of a season, he's been invisible even before his injury. And I HATE hid awareness on the ice.

Ferlands' issue is fitness. Half the time he skates to the bench he's completely gassed. That's why he can't fly around hitting guys.

shutout · 03-23-2018, 01:35 PM

Would have to think that any trades to get a first round pick would be to gather more trade capital. During the trade deadline the media was saying that teams were valuing draft picks more than another teams prospects.

Trade Brodie for a 1st round pick.
Trade that 1st to Wings for Nyquist.
Replace Brodie with Andersson.

Money Baer · 03-23-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hamilton has more value than Nylander straight up, that would be a losing trade for us.

Plus, there's nothing there to resucitate with Brodie. The guy has been brain dead for two straight years.

He's gone, Jim.

Well, I didn't say straight up. I do think a deal centred around Hamilton/Nylander would be a good starting point for a trade. Fillers/pieces to work out the value.

Bingo · 03-23-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto-matic

These knee-jerk reaction trades are what I'm afraid of going into the Summer. Getting a top 5 pick will demand a kings ransom and will set this team back 2/3 years in becoming a playoff contender again.

I don't think there's a whole lot to worry about.

The guy is all about the "process" so unless the Burke buffer has failed leaving King/owners pushing Treliving around he'll go about his business in a rational way.

shutout · 03-23-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

^^You don't trade Gaudreau. The Flames need more high end players, not less.

Trading you best players is an Oilers strategy, lets not get into that.

Nobody but Tkachuk is untradeable.
Question is would another team give up enough to make you trade somebody like Gaudrea?
What would it take to trade him?
Because he is definantly tradeable, problem is what would the other side give up?

dissentowner · 03-23-2018, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Make it Gio and get 2018 1st, 2019 2nd + Nylander.

You would not get Nylander alone for Gio let alone the picks.

Hank Hill · 03-23-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 868904

Because he sucks defensively but he still probably has the most value.

Teams will think they can work on his defense and thus pay the premium for the offense and tools.

I've made my mind up that Hamilton will never be a Norris type or the lead guy on a top pairing. He is Seabrook to Gio's Keith right now and the sooner the Flames cash in on the perceived upside the better.

How can he have the most value and "suck defensively" as a D man? your post makes no sense along with your lazy Seabrook comp
Im glad your not the GM you have no idea how to evaluate talent

colbym72 · 03-23-2018, 01:41 PM

Did I miss something? Why would the Leafs want to trade Nylander?

CliffFletcher · 03-23-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hamilton is somewhat a victim of his smooth skating and passing, which look pretty effortless. I often wish he'd use his size to advantage, but on the other hand, he doesn't lose too many board battles or get beaten physically very often.

That's the not the Hamilton I see. The Hamilton I see is a very good skater going up the ice, but not great skating backwards, and not agile at all in close. I see him get beat frequently when he's back on his heels, which is when he usually take a dumb tripping of slashing penalty. I also see a guy who loses his man in the slot a lot. Phaneuf-a-lot.

dissentowner · 03-23-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by colbym72

Did I miss something? Why would the Leafs want to trade Nylander?

They wouldn't. Marner neither.

Resolute 14 · 03-23-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by colbym72

Did I miss something? Why would the Leafs want to trade Nylander?

They won't want to, but they have players about to become very expensive.

UFA's after this year: Lupul, Van Riemsdyk, Bozak, Komarov, Polak
RFA's after this year: Nylander, Carrick

UFAs after 18-19: Gardiner, Hainsey, McElhinney
RFA's after 18-19: Matthews, Marner, Leivo, Kapanen, Borgman

They wont want to give one of these guys up, but can they fit new contracts for Matthews, Nylander and Marner, plus new contract or replacement for van Riemsdyk, plus replacement for Lupul, plus new contract or replacement for Gardiner under the cap?

JackJack · 03-23-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Exactly. If Crosby and Malkin were on the Flames, Hamilton would turn into a winner real fast.

Exactly. Kessel was the problem in Toronto. Attitude, disposition and conditioning. Now he is a complimentary piece on a championship team.

dissentowner · 03-23-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shutout

Nobody but Tkachuk is untradeable.
Question is would another team give up enough to make you trade somebody like Gaudrea?
What would it take to trade him?
Because he is definantly tradeable, problem is what would the other side give up?

There is the problem, the other side would have to overpay pretty significantly to get him. If lets say it was with Philly I would want Provorov, Patrick, and a 1st. That is overpayment probably but that is what it would take.

Royle9 · 03-23-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

They won't want to, but they have players about to become very expensive.

UFA's after this year: Lupul, Van Riemsdyk, Bozak, Komarov, Polak
RFA's after this year: Nylander, Carrick

UFAs after 18-19: Gardiner, Hainsey, McElhinney
RFA's after 18-19: Matthews, Marner, Leivo, Kapanen, Borgman

They wont want to give one of these guys up, but can they fit new contracts for Matthews, Nylander and Marner, plus new contract or replacement for van Riemsdyk, plus replacement for Lupul, plus new contract or replacement for Gardiner under the cap?

Further evidence of just how lucky we are to have both Sean and Johnny both locked up for just shy of 13.5M combined.

Matthew's will cash in somewhere between 10-12M alone EASILY.
Marner, Nylander will both command AT LEAST 6.5M a piece

I suspect Tkachuk comes in between 4.5-6.5M soon enough. If we dont capitalize with the core we have now, I feel our chances to succeed will go down the ####ter in a real hurry 4-5 years from now.

memphusk · 03-23-2018, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Couldn't you ask that question of any Flames player on the team if you are going to look at the recent team failures? He has more playoff games under his belt than most Flames on the roster has medaled at the WU17, IH18 and WJC. I believe he's actually very bright as he won several academic awards in junior. Fans have to realize that just because he doesn't play Chris Pronger that doesn't mean he's not a winner.

So he's Jay Boumeester us what you're saying.

Erick Estrada · 03-23-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by memphusk

So he's Jay Boumeester us what you're saying.

Where did I say Hamilton has a muffin for a shot and a 30 point defenseman? They do share that quality of effortless skating and good size but it's like saying Gaudreau is Fleury because he's short and offensively skilled.

dino7c · 03-23-2018, 02:12 PM

Oilers offer McDavid to the Flames for Frolik

CP "nah, Oilers suck that guy is not a winner and hasn't won anything. Frolik has a ring"