[PGT] Flames 3 - Islanders 2

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It is hard to have a consistently strong PP all season long so definitely some season left to get it working.

It's definitely looked a bit better with Hamilton out there, and they did convert once in each of the last two games. Baby steps, but it looks like they're slowly getting there.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by zamler

If Calgary was a better home team we'd be near the elite of the NHL. That's the most frustrating thing to me by far.

Agree. Not having that at home not in my house killer instinct and of course the power play are two of the most frustrating things this year.

[FireGilbert]

Huuuuuuuuggggggeeee win!!! Tkachuk is a golden god.

[Thor]

I love that after knowing our #1 goalie gets hurt that we finally have a backup who I feel not only 100% comfortable with, but I am kind of excited to see how he does if this injury is a few weeks or more.

I don't remember the last time I felt this good about a backup in Calgary.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by AC

I think SS is one of the posters that have taken a step back over the toxic environment in most threads lately. I've been pretty close myself from logging out and taking a break for an extended period of time. The second anything goes wrong with the team, there's a parade of people falling over themselves to post about how much they hate the team and players.

There's a pretty clear group of posters that I would suggest enjoy trash talking the team following a loss more than they seem to enjoy when we win.

I would love to see the moderators start banning these people, I know a lot of us simply don't visit the fire on Ice after a loss, its brutal. There is so much parity in this league and other than 4-5 teams the 6-20 ranked teams are all in a dogfight for points.

Instead of losing regulars who get sick of this toxicity, why not start cleaning up these relentlessly toxic and negative posters who ruin the atmosphere in the game threads and PG threads.

[Lanny_McDonald]

First, great effort by the Flames. Smith let in a couple of softies, but the team really held the fort the rest of the way and fought their way back. Gutsy effort in game where they could have just rolled over and played dead. It is still amazing to look at this team's record on the road compared to its record at home. If this team had even half the success at home as they do on the road they are challenging for the conference and not in the glut of teams hoping for a spot.

Originally Posted by AC

I think SS is one of the posters that have taken a step back over the toxic environment in most threads lately. I've been pretty close myself from logging out and taking a break for an extended period of time. The second anything goes wrong with the team, there's a parade of people falling over themselves to post about how much they hate the team and players.

I'm not going to speak for SS, but his disappearance pretty much coincided with his animated GIF debacle. He did something in fun, included his wife as part of the joke, and the innocent bit of fun got ruined by certain posters and some possible trigger happy moderation. I think there was probably a little bit of embarrassment there, and an exchange behind the scenes that forced him off the board. SS never struck me as someone that was a sycophant who needed a safespace to discuss hockey.

There's a pretty clear group of posters that I would suggest enjoy trash talking the team following a loss more than they seem to enjoy when we win.

Welcome to the Internet. You want to put a stop to that behavior, engage those posters. As a collective, engage those posters and show them the error in their ways. There may be some truth to what they say. If there isn't, prove them wrong. There are groups of posters that annoy everybody, so you have several choices to use.

1) Don't post until the following day. I do this because I get annoyed by the stream of stupid gifs that really add nothing to the conversation. Its the same repetitive junk and it clogs up the thread. I observing a waiting period and then read the thread so I can just scroll past the crap.

2) Use the ignore feature. I personally don't like using the feature as it creates a bubble, but let me tell you, its wonderful never having to see anything from really annoying posters who do nothing but whine and cry about others. I can deal with negative views, but people who do nothing but whine and cry about the posting habits of others - to the ignore list!

3) Ignore the thread. There are some threads I know are going to be gong shows, so I avoid. Stay away from the parts of town that are dangerous.

4) Challenge their ignorance. This takes a lot more effort than it is sometimes worth, but challenge these people.

5) Take up knitting. If you can't handle people who have contrary views to yours, then discussion forums aren't for you. It is the nature of the beast and part and parcel of the culture we live in right now, but people like extremes. They may not even recognize it, but they go to extremes as well. The funny thing is the people who don't think they go extremes, or think they are so neutral or level-headed in their approach, and don't see the lengths they will go to to defend their position. It is just part of our society at the moment, and continues to develop in this direction.

Originally Posted by Thor

I would love to see the moderators start banning these people, I know a lot of us simply don't visit the fire on Ice after a loss, its brutal. There is so much parity in this league and other than 4-5 teams the 6-20 ranked teams are all in a dogfight for points.

No. Just no. This is a very dangerous and slippery slope to step on. Because who gets to decide who is what type of poster? What is determined as a negative post? This is what leads to these safe space bubbles of likeminded sycophants - see Oilers fans boards for examples of what happens - and that breeds even greater division IMO. The whole concept of the board is discussion. If you don't like someone's perspective, challenge them on it and discuss it. You may not reach that one individual, but you may put and end to the usual dogpile of negativity that results.

One of the problems I see is that there are a number of hyper-negative posters, but they will normally get it out and move on. They want to vent and this is a place for them to get it off their chest. I find that these people do that, and will usually be done with it. But there is also a group of posters that get off on breeding this discontent and are more than happy to make some smarmy drive-by that keeps the marry-go-round going. These posters are more problematic than the negative ones in my estimation. If their behaviors were cleaned up, things would come back under control a lot quicker.

Instead of losing regulars who get sick of this toxicity, why not start cleaning up these relentlessly toxic and negative posters who ruin the atmosphere in the game threads and PG threads.

There is a balance that needs to be maintained. For every really negative poster, there is an equally crazy blind homer. Yeah, the game threads are ugly, but that is because people are posting on the fly and are hyper critical. Again, I stay away from those except to make comment of plays that are incredibly good, incredibly bad, or indicative of a challenge the team is facing. I try not to get dragged into the muck and the negativity, but it can be easy when some of the ridiculous comments start flying back and forth. Better to withdraw and go through the usual waiting period. CP has always been great because of the differing opinions. It would lose a great deal of its flavor and community if it became a safespace for just one type of fan. Wouldn't that make us just like those Oilers fans we love to make so much fun of?

[UKflames]

Whilst it is baby steps it is good to see a goal scorred on the pp. Maybe this will keep the current pp lines together, which seem to be the players that everyone has wanted since day 1.
Great game from Bennett imo, after a painful few weeks. A lot of people quick to throw him away and be very vocal about it, but not so much when he has a good game. Credit where credit is due.

[Monahammer]

I think the heightened dichotomy we see between positive/negative posts lately has to do with the team being so close to good.
As people have mentioned, if we had even a slightly better special teams spread, or could show up even 50% more often at home, we'd firmly be in a playoff spot. Instead, these seemingly obvious issues continue to hound us and are putting extra pressure on the fans. Add to that a way tighter race than years past and the fact we traded away our 1st this year (still a good trade, I think) but it really gives a feeling of all or nothing.
I can see why some fans are frustrated, and I can see why some fans are frustrated with those who are frustrated. I think thats part of the community though. Eqch "side" of this coin needs to respect the other and realise were all cheering for the same thing: a calgary flames cup victory (especially so that we can shove it in the oilers faces)

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think the heightened dichotomy we see between positive/negative posts lately has to do with the team being so close to good.
As people have mentioned, if we had even a slightly better special teams spread, or could show up even 50% more often at home, we'd firmly be in a playoff spot. Instead, these seemingly obvious issues continue to hound us and are putting extra pressure on the fans. Add to that a way tighter race than years past and the fact we traded away our 1st this year (still a good trade, I think) but it really gives a feeling of all or nothing.
I can see why some fans are frustrated, and I can see why some fans are frustrated with those who are frustrated. I think thats part of the community though. Eqch "side" of this coin needs to respect the other and realise were all cheering for the same thing: a calgary flames cup victory (especially so that we can shove it in the oilers faces)

This is pretty much it. I remember giving up on FOI in 08/09 because the team should have been far better than it was, and the general level of hockey discussion tanked because of feelings very fast. Took years to get to a readable level again, and then tanked again last year into this year.

Ebb and flow of a forum I guess.

[taxbuster]

I've pretty much given up on the GTs, just wwaaaaaaayyyy too much whining for me. (Unless, of course, we score 5 every period, with at least 2 PP goals.)

The PGTs - especially if there has been a soft goal or the PP fails to perform - is almost unreadable, even after a win.

So, like others, I read and look for Gaskal (without him (?) the PGT after a win would be pointless - would hate to lose the ATLs!).

I browse rapidly through the PGT to feel the temperature. Sometimes there is less whining about whatever the current whipping-feature/person of choice might be. Mostly those ones are OK.

But woe betide us if "something" happens that the Negative Nancies want to jump on, win or lose.

At the gentle age of 60-something, I just don't care enough to read that crap. I love my team and have since they moved to Calgary; was a long-time STH now in BC though. I love the insightful commentary that comes - sometimes - from analyzing a broken play or a screwup, or why a given line is working well after a personnel change. The rest of it....no thanks.

[heep223]

The whining about the whining, and the pining for the “good old days”, is almost as bad as the whining itself. IMO.

People are spastic around here because the team has been.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Tkachuk is gonna get paaaaiiiid, kid deserves every penny. Warrior out there

We are so fortunate that Treliving got the Monahan/Gaudreau deals done two seasons ago. One year later and Johnny probably costs $9,000,000 because of the McDavid and Draisaitl deals.

The fact Monahan and Gaudreau are on "cheap" deals relative to their production gives us so much more flexibility now and will allow us to keep Backlund and pay Tkachuk market value.

[-TC-]

I'm bringing back an oldie but a goodie



re: the issue with quality posters leaving for other pastures... honestly, it's a downer.

The calibre of posters and quality of commentary is what makes the forum so enjoyable. When that gets lost to trolls, drive-by artists and social justice warriors then we all lose. It diminishes the experience and makes it a less interesting place to be.

I know I don't spend as much time, I skim and seek out posts by those who provide the content that elevates the site. The rest I ignore.

[stone hands]

It's pretty sad when cp was a friendlier, funnier and more thoughtful place with better hockey discussion when they flames were drafting 4th overall than it is when they're In a dogfight for a playoff spot

Canadian markets are a crazy place

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This is pretty much it. I remember giving up on FOI in 08/09 because the team should have been far better than it was, and the general level of hockey discussion tanked because of feelings very fast. Took years to get to a readable level again, and then tanked again last year into this year.

Ebb and flow of a forum I guess.

Does anyone else find this hilarious?

[BigFlameDog]

Aahh...the problem is smart devices and the fact that some people feel the need to post every GD thought. If some waited 60 secs before thumb typing they might figure out that maybe that thought was just dumb and everyone on the interweb doesn't need to read it.

Old man opinion.

[FBI]

There's something weird about people only enjoying the ATL which is in essence fans whining about how crappy their team is. But we don't like reading the whining about how crappy our team is. (Don't have a point, just found that kind of ironic or something)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Thor

I would love to see the moderators start banning these people, I know a lot of us simply don't visit the fire on Ice after a loss, its brutal. There is so much parity in this league and other than 4-5 teams the 6-20 ranked teams are all in a dogfight for points.

Instead of losing regulars who get sick of this toxicity, why not start cleaning up these relentlessly toxic and negative posters who ruin the atmosphere in the game threads and PG threads.

From the mod point of view, we have banned several posters in the last month for being too disruptive. Some of them were long-standing posters, others were newer (e.g. Braubag). But this is a difficult matter. On one hand we get a lot of comments that we should ban more people, on the other hand, we hear that we ban too easily and create an echo chamber where only a narrow type of opinion is welcome.

So it is hard to figure out where the balance is.

Overall I will say though that we don't want to be a place that is known for restricting conversation. But there is a point where a poster just isn't contributing - but rather just repeating the same thing over and over again. Drawing that line though is very hard.

In my opinion the folks in most control of the quality of the community is every single poster on the board.

Passion is a huge part of what makes any fan base interesting, including this community, but when posting ask yourself
- Am I adding anything new to the conversation?
- Am I repeating points that I've made already for no reason
- Am i just venting? Do I actually have anything to say?
- Do I need to really wade into this fight?

[Enoch Root]

I think at the start of this road trip - CHI, NY3, BOS, NAS - that 6 points would be decent, 7 points would be good to great, and 8 points would be all that could reasonably be hoped for.

Two tough barns to go, but having 6 points already is damn good. If they can get 2 more points, this trip might be looked at as the catalyst, should they go on to make the playoffs.

[colbym72]

Yeah I would be fine with a split between Boston and Nashville. Boston is killing it