[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really?

What indications from Treliving have you seen that he would be in any way interested in turfing the guy he hired, less than 2 years into his tenure?

And lead the team to an 18 pt improvement & a playoff birth.


Sorry to say folks, until the Flames miss the playoffs, it's likely not even being discussed.

I have yet to see any credible report that would suggest otherwise.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Right...but Senators would be saying the same thing about Brouwer. If anyone takes Brouwer is because they're either getting picks, propects or are giving back salary in return.

Dion is still a top 4 defenseman,although polarizing and overpaid. Brouwer and Stajan are dead-weight

Dion makes top pair money with more term left than Brouwer. Nightmare deal if that took place. Phaneuf sucks. Fitting though the Flames became the biggest joke in true league when they traded him for garbage and would be the biggest joke trading for him again with his boat anchor contract.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really?

What indications from Treliving have you seen that he would be in any way interested in turfing the guy he hired, less than 2 years into his tenure?

None. But what I was saying is a coaching change is more likely than a block buster trade. What reason do you have to believe that tre wants to part with one of his core players?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

And lead the team to an 18 pt improvement & a playoff birth.

Oh my, that'd be a tough delivery.

[Itse]

Making blockbuster trades is rare because it's difficult to find a suitable trade partner. Firing coaches is common because it's easy to find other at least potentially suitable coaches. I mean, there's even another head coach within the organization that Treliving himself hired.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by badradio

Mangiapane was the shake up. Maybe another call up... but that is all I'm expecting.

He's not a shake up unless he swaps places with Brouwer, so far he's just getting a cup of coffee while Frolik is out

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There's no such thing as real fans, just fans and yes that's how the internet works unfortunately. You simply have to take it all with a grain of salt. The bolded describes me and negativity doesn't bother me at all. I love dealing with issues head on rather than trying to avoiding them. Life isn't supposed to be easy.

Hyperbole and lack of context do not make actual problems. If on the other hand you have something articulate to say that hasn't been repeated ad nauseum in multiple threats for multiple months or years, then by all means add signal -- but you'd be in the minority.

[SeanCharles]

The most difficult part about shaking things up is properly evaluating our needs and trading the right pieces to not disrupt the few good things the team has going for them.

The team wants to get more tough and gritty. I love the idea but then that rules out moving guys like Ferland, Tkachuk, Hathaway, Hamonic and Stone, at least one would think anyway.

The team wants to score more. In order to do so you need to add to the offensive players you already have. As such, the group of Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Gio, Hamilton, Brodie, Tkachuk and Ferland needs to be added to (Ferland and Tkachuk check both boxes).

The team also doesn't want to part with younger NHLers who are developing at the top level and are important to the future. This would rule out trading Bennett, Jankowski and Kulak.

What you are left with is Stajan, F. Hamilton, Lazar, Bartkowski, Jagr, Versteeg and Frolik.

Frolik is an important defensive forward while Jagr and Versteeg are more valuable to us if they can get fully healthy than the late round picks they would be worth. Lazar isn't worth much league wide either and the rest are fringe NHLers and/or overpriced contracts.

It seems if we wanted to do something to shake up the roster the best trade chips we have are the abundance of dmen we have here and in the lower levels. Trading anyone from the top 5 would reduce our offense or grit and toughness from the backend but may be necessary.

I don't know what the right answer is but it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

The good news is I know we won't trade any of Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Jankowski or Ferland upfront. It also seems unlikely to trade Backlund, Frolik or Hathaway. Jagr is here for the season so hopefully we add to those 10 guys on forward.

My ideal forward lineup:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Newb
Tkachuk-Backlund-Ferland
Bennett-Jankowski-Hathaway
Frolik-Hrivik-Jagr (Czechoslovakia line)

I'm not sure who on the backend we trade to attain this top line RW but it seems like the most likely area to trade from.

Our forwards need help as is and our goaltending is set with Smith and Rittich in the NHL and Gillies and Parsons in the A.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dion makes top pair money with more term left than Brouwer. Nightmare deal if that took place. Phaneuf sucks. Fitting though the Flames became the biggest joke in true league when they traded him for garbage and would be the biggest joke trading for him again with his boat anchor contract.

What a super over-the-top post

First, Dion doesn't suck; he's a legit top 4 defenseman in the league. He's playing 20 minutes a game on a bottom 5 team and is putting up decent numbers (-2; 0.3 points per game). In contrast, Brouwer is a bottom 6 forward.

Second, Dion's contract isnt a boat anchor. Term is three more years vs two for brouwer...so not really boatload. And he's probably worth $4.5-5.5m per year, so is overpaid by ~$2m for 3 years. Meanwhile, Brouwer is overpaid by $3m per year for the next 2 years. So its pretty subjective as to which one of the two is more overpaid.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Chingas

None. But what I was saying is a coaching change is more likely than a block buster trade. What reason do you have to believe that tre wants to part with one of his core players?

I have zero belief he wants to trade any of his young guys...im also of zero belief that there was ever a "shake up" edict delivered from anyone within the organization, and that Shannon was trying to read some tea leaves to be "that guy".

[Brick]

People's jobs are on the line if there is no shakeup to attempt to salvage the season.

My guess is that they will still move a defenceman for a top six forward to help out with goal scoring.

It will also need to happen soon as time is running out.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have zero belief he wants to trade any of his young guys...im also of zero belief that there was ever a "shake up" edict delivered from anyone within the organization, and that Shannon was trying to read some tea leaves to be "that guy".

I have to agree as the organization has played its cards close to the vest for years now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

And lead the team to an 18 pt improvement & a playoff birth.


Sorry to say folks, until the Flames miss the playoffs, it's likely not even being discussed.

I have yet to see any credible report that would suggest otherwise.

Not the first time you have mentioned this 18 point improvement.

Not sure if you remember but that prior season was far below standard, starting off with Bob having to manage around the 3 headed goalie monster, plus starting with Brodie out long term, Gio just returning from being out long term, Hamilton stinking out of the gate, Hudler being a shell of himself after Regehr broke him, bookended by Ramo’s season ending injury and Hiller playing about the worst net anyone had seen in a long time.

Gulutzan arguably got the team to where they were expected to be operating (albeit with a very average season and a monster win streak), with a much, much better roster, plus two (and only twice at a time) proven NHL caliber goalies.

So other people understand there is context around this 18 point improvement you cite in isolation

Sorry, 18 point improvement and a playoff sweep

[transplant99]

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[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by sempuki

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[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have zero belief he wants to trade any of his young guys...im also of zero belief that there was ever a "shake up" edict delivered from anyone within the organization, and that Shannon was trying to read some tea leaves to be "that guy".

Anything coming out of Shannon's mouth is to be disregarded completely

[dammage79]

Except Mollberg backed it up. I trust Mollbergs Calls in regards to the Flames.

[cannon7]

I think Shannon is just observing the obvious. As he's prone to do.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Fire GG then bring in a new coach and see how they respond before making a big dumb trade!

You want Cameron as interim coach?
If Gully is fired, that's what you get.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You want Cameron as interim coach?
If Gully is fired, that's what you get.

There certainly is some on here that want that.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=503