[Trade] Sens trade Lazar and Kostka to the Flames for a 2nd + Jokipakka

[neo45]

I think the people saying "high upside" aren't familiar with Lazar. He was drafted as a low ceiling low floor guy.


Personally would rather swing for the fences with a 2nd

[dammage79]

I argued this before about Lazar, a 2nd in a weak draft is a good gamble on revitalizing a kid.
Hopefully he has a jump in his step coming into the next game.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Wait, what?

i'm basically saying that Poirier is done as a Flame.

[cannon7]

If the Flames are just gonna place Lazar on the fourth line, they might as well have just left him to rot in Ottawa. Only way Lazar makes it at the NHL level is in a top-six role. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get regular minutes on Bennett's right side.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Really happy with the trade. Gave up a player we exposed to waivers yesterday and a 2nd round pick in a weak draft. Got a RW with good potential.

People love crying about everything.

[neo45]

For what it is worth Lazar is seen to have great character and work ethic

[Serapth]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Hrmm, definitely a gamble.. I guess we will see.

It's a gamble like doubling down on a pair of aces in a $5 game of blackjack.

Yeah, you could lose, but do you really care if you do?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by devo22

lots of people here think Poirier is a bust. Lazar is from the same draft class and hasn't done more than Poirier. Is it really that surprising that not everybody on here is jumping for joy that the Flames gave up a 2nd for Lazar? It's bad value.

poirer has played 8 NHL games compared to Lazar's 176...

While his stat line isn't great, Lazar has been more than a career AHLer so far...

he's also a RWer, so basically we are trading one 21 year old roll of the dice for an 18 year old one

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Most of the Sens fans were hoping for at most a third round pick.

Lazar is a big reclamation project. Actually can't believe he got a 2nd rounder even in a weak draft.

Would rather have the magic beans.

Other teams fans are always the most unbiased evaluation of a trade


Chances that the guy who they pick at 55 or whatever playing more games than Lazar is very low...I would bet a large sum of money on it

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by manwiches

I like it. He's been a winner at every level, and even if he rounds out to be a 3rd liner in the end, that's the expectation of a 2nd rounder this draft anyways. Regardless, he brings intangibles that I don't think show up on the scoresheet all the time. He reminds me of Bennett a bit.

This is exciting

The expectation of a 2nd rounder is that they might play some of their career in the NHL. You've drafted well if they become a permanent NHLer. If they become a contributing 3rd liner, you've drafted very well.

[djsFlames]

Having observed Chiasson's constant lack of IQ and throwing away of the puck recently I'd say that's who he replaces.

[mrdonkey]

Silver lining: all he has to do is be better than Chiasson to improve the team. That's a pretty low bar.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by devo22

lots of people here think Poirier is a bust. Lazar is from the same draft class and hasn't done more than Poirier. Is it really that surprising that not everybody on here is jumping for joy that the Flames gave up a 2nd for Lazar? It's bad value.

Come on. Lazar has two full years of NHL experience under his belt with modest production. That is demonstrably more than Poirier has shown in his career.

I get that you don't like the player, but I don't see how this trade can possibly upset anyone. The price paid was a little on the high side, but this is a low-end marginal overpayment, not something to get worked up about.

[ResAlien]

I see he's listed as a RW and a C. Does he go outside and play with Bennett or is he a better centre and Bennett gets put out on the wing?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What difference does it make how many games he's got. You claim wrong philosophical direction which couldn't be more wrong. It would be if we gave up the pick for a mature player, but we didn't.

Totally fair if you think the 2nd in this years draft would be a better young talent than Lazar. But it's not a "wrong philosophical" move for the club. They swapped young developing asset for young developing asset.

They swapped flexibility for someone elses mostly developed asset.

The flames used a 2nd round pick as part of the Hamilton acquisition. The Flames now have 5 picks in 7 rounds in the upcoming draft and if they re-sign Stone and Elliott they will have 4 picks next year.

As Textcritic says, if the flames are going to compete in the next 5 years they are going to do with with the talent already in the system. Well, if that's the case, the Flames are in huge f'ing trouble because they don't have anything in the system, all their bluechippers are contributing NHL'ers.

The Flames are goign to have to go out and buy a significant asset at some point and the philosophical direction should be accumulating a quantity of picks in order to make trades to acquire impact players without having the complication of sending significant salary the other way.

Lazar isn't some massive mistake, but I don't see much difference between acquiring him and acquiring Shinkaruk, except one was significantly more costly to acquire than the other in my opinion. You're banking on an improbable turnaround to justify the expense of the acquisition. What it does for the Flames is it removes flexibility in future acquisitions which have the potential to have a greater total impact on the franchise.

I don't hate the player, I just hate the fact the Flames are once again deficit spending with draft picks. You'd think they would have learned their lesson by now.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't mind the deal at all. I don't think its a franchise turning deal.

Treliving said at the start of this that he was going to look for people in this teams age group that aren't expiring assets. That to me basically said that Vrbata was probably not going to come here unless it was super cheap and it sounds like Phoenix set the price high on him,

The nice thing about Lazar is he's coming here with little to no pressure, this should be an easy transition for him as he's no longer Lazar the first round draft pick, he's the Lazar of little expectations. So he has a chance to go out and play basic hockey and use his speed and try to re-invent himself.

the second round draft pick, I'm not too worried about it. putting aside the whole weak draft stuff, this was an opportunity to get a guy that has first round physical skills and maybe hope for a home run or at the very least double to right field gamble to pay off.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Maybe he isn't a top 6 player in the future, but he's a good skater with decent puck skills. He's young enough that his game can transition to be effective elsewhere.

Lazar wasn't my first choice today, but I understand the reasoning here and a 2nd round in pick probably the worst draft in 5+ years isn't a terrible price.

Yeah Lazar will never be a scorer. His ceiling is a character forward in the mold of Stephane Yelle, Shean Donovan and Marcus Nilsson. He could be a big part of a championship team without being a top 6 scorer.

[powderjunkie]

Value of a #41-50 pick per Cullen:

~37% chance that player plays 100+ NHL games
~11% chance that player is a top 6 F / top 4 D
Moon shot that the player is a Bergeron, Subban, Weber, Cammalleri or Lucic

I think Lazar's chance of making it as a top 6 guy are probably higher than 10%. I'm nearly certain he will play another 100 NHL games.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think the people saying "high upside" aren't familiar with Lazar. He was drafted as a low ceiling low floor guy.


Personally would rather swing for the fences with a 2nd

Have any links to back that up? I don't remember the chatter about Lazar ~2012-2013.

[polak]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a Tim Ramholt or Mitch Wahl.

Disappointed. That 2nd could have been a PK Subban or Patrice Bergeron.

Basically, if you were going up to the podium on draft day in the 2nd round and you knew that the guy on the board would have 36 points in his first 176 games, would you still take him even if his junior stats were good?

Not the end of the world I just don't like the trade.