[PGT] Flames crush Blues 4-1. Snap 7-game losing streak in St. Louis

[nik-]

Penalties that should be called being missed and Johnny developing a reputation for whining for calls can both be true.

I also think he's starting to develop a reputation and I think it's going to make getting calls more difficult for him.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Screaming for a coach to be fired 2 weeks into the season (and you were definitely one of the more vocals ones) when EVERYONE on the ice is learning a new system is even sillier.

I'm not saying he's the perfect coach with the perfect system. But I sure as heck wasn't on board with firing him 2 weeks into the season.

The team definitely deserves credit for the last 2 games. That's all I'm saying. The team deserves a chance to show what it can do. And regardless of how many wins/losses they have, it's going to take more then 2 weeks to see what they've got.

They deserve credit for winning two games? I think that gives you a picture of how brutal the start of the season was and the failure of the coaching staff to meet the "we need a strong start unlike last year" mandate.

The coaching staff is still firmly in the hot seat. They lose the next two games and then what?

[stone hands]

I mean if he deserves to get fired for 5 we are almost halfway through that in wins

After 3 more wins does he deserves the jack Adams?

I really think that if you are looking for a scapegoat in gg after how God awful brodie, Hamilton, gio, Monahan and johnny were in the first few games you are just an irrational hater and nothing this team can do will convince you otherwise

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by stone hands

I mean if he deserves to get fired for 5 we are almost halfway through that in wins

After 3 more wins does he deserves the jack Adams?

I really think that if you are looking for a scapegoat in gg after how God awful brodie, Hamilton, gio, Monahan and johnny were in the first few games you are just an irrational hater and nothing this team can do will convince you otherwise

It's happening already...there's no middle ground on CP anymore
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=157627
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=157636

[kevman]

Originally Posted by polak

The coaching staff is still firmly in the hot seat. They lose the next two games and then what?

Depends. If they continue to play like they did the last few games then you ride it out. If they revert, well, you probably still ride it out. There will not be a coaching change any time soon even if they flames are completely out of it.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but they're going to lose again.

[stone hands]

Ya cp has been pretty unbearable so far this season

Hopefully it turns around but it's pretty impossible to have a measured, reasonable discussion on this site at the moment

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by nik-

Penalties that should be called being missed and Johnny developing a reputation for whining for calls can both be true.

I also think he's starting to develop a reputation and I think it's going to make getting calls more difficult for him.

Calgary currently leads the league in penalty differential, so that may play into it too

[Inglewood Jack]

there is no coaching hot seat when they have 3 years left on the current coach plus still paying the previous one. GG is here for the whole year regardless of what happens, sorry panicky panickers.

[polak]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Ya cp has been pretty unbearable so far this season

Hopefully it turns around but it's pretty impossible to have a measured, reasonable discussion on this site at the moment

Being a Flames fan has been pretty unbearable for the last year and a bit.

People are frustrated and saw the same signs as last yrar and were venting. What do you expect a forum full of die hards to be during times like that?

Also I only called for the special teams coach to be fired. I was a fan of the coaching change so I wasn't calling for him to be fired yet.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by polak

They deserve credit for winning two games? I think that gives you a picture of how brutal the start of the season was and the failure of the coaching staff to meet the "we need a strong start unlike last year" mandate.

The coaching staff is still firmly in the hot seat. They lose the next two games and then what?

Sure they do, the team played a great team game.

Failure to meet the "strong start mandate" is irrelevant, every team has that mandate, more than half of them fail, and all but one of them fail to win at the end of season regardless of their success in meeting that mandate.

The coaching staff isn't in the hot seat. They haven't been yet, unless you're prone to panic. Much of the first 6 games were bad, but there was nobody outside of a very insufferable section of the fanbase sounding alarms.

The coaching staff won't be in "the hot seat" all season. They'll get this plus part of next, minimum.

[stone hands]

I expect people to be able to recgnize that the best players on the team were extremely underpreforming and to wait until they got it going before clamouring to have the new coach fired 6 games into the season I guess

*Edit*

I also expected people to realize bob Hartley's system was terrible and entertaining for all the wrong reasons, and the reason the last year was so hard to stomach as a fan. I'm not sure if you are/were one of these people, I'm just talking generally

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by polak

Being a Flames fan has been pretty unbearable for the last year and a bit.

People are frustrated and saw the same signs as last yrar and were venting. What do you expect a forum full of die hards to be during times like that?

I expect frustration, but I would also expect a higher IQ than for some to think the new coach should be fired 6 games in and the old coach brought back to take his place.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by polak

They deserve credit for winning two games? I think that gives you a picture of how brutal the start of the season was and the failure of the coaching staff to meet the "we need a strong start unlike last year" mandate.

The coaching staff is still firmly in the hot seat. They lose the next two games and then what?

No they are not. Show me someone from somewhere on the Flames that actually believes this. I'm willing to bet, since they actually run the team and know what goes on behind the scenes unlike us, that the entire management team is on-board with being patient. Are they frustrated like us? Undoubtedly. But lucky for us, they don't make rash decisions after 2 weeks of play. If it was up to you, we'd have no GM right now and no head coach. The only guy thinking the hot seat is heating up, is you and a handful of others who make up the vocal minority and happen to be the loudest ones here.

And guess what, the Flames definitely are going to lose 2 games in a row again. Maybe even 3 or 4. I'll bet the same thing happens to the eventual cup champ also.

What happens then? You'll scream and whine about it like you always do. That's what will happen.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't really disagree with you at all. But you can also understand why the dude is frustrated.

Absolutely. It is total bullpoo. Crosby in his early days got labelled as a whiner for his first couple years for the very same thing.. then it clicked..

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Calgary currently leads the league in penalty differential, so that may play into it too

For sure, and in fact could be the reason he didn't get the call last night. The refs gave the flames quite a few PP's.. still no excuse, but what you're saying makes sense.

Honestly, and I may get Flamed.. but it may take an unsportsmanlike penalty against Johnny at the end of one of those plays to sort him out.

I would of course prefer the penalty on the breakaway be called, but if it's not and this is gonna go on for much longer.. I hope Johnny gets a bit of a wake up call.

I like when he plays pissed off, I dislike that he doesn't take control of the game when he's getting screwed though. That's the big difference between Johnny now and last year, I think.

[corporatejay]

And I was questioned why I keep using that phrase "We may never win/lose again".

It basically summarizes the bipolar nature of my irrationality. It's tongue and cheek. Rather than go full polak, I distill it down to five simple words.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by polak

They deserve credit for winning two games? I think that gives you a picture of how brutal the start of the season was and the failure of the coaching staff to meet the "we need a strong start unlike last year" mandate.

The coaching staff is still firmly in the hot seat. They lose the next two games and then what?

Context matters.

First few games were against really weak opponents, and the team looked visibly out of sorts, making mistakes that you just don't see often in the NHL.

People were right to be frustrated, but it doesn't mean you fire the coaching staff right away, especially before they've had a chance to correct the problems.

As well, looking at the teams they beat, the intangible of back to back on the road in traditionally tough buildings, and looking at how they beat those teams: Fans should be enthused by the sudden turnaround and not be so bleak. I know that's harder for you than most, but there's reasons for positivity.

Again, context.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by nik-

Penalties that should be called being missed and Johnny developing a reputation for whining for calls can both be true.

I also think he's starting to develop a reputation and I think it's going to make getting calls more difficult for him.

That was one of the worst non-calls I have ever seen...I really need to buy a foam remote. Johnny is gonna have a broken wrist soon anyway so we won't have to worry about it.

Meanwhile McDavid gets a penalty shot for someone almost catching up to him

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Calgary currently leads the league in penalty differential, so that may play into it too

?

We are 25th in Penalty differential at -5

We've been getting screwjob'd consistently

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

?

We are 25th in Penalty differential at -5

We've been getting screwjob'd consistently

Weird. Corsica had us at #1 with +11

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Weird. Corsica had us at #1 with +11

That may be 5-on-5.

Look at all-situations.