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Wiggum_PI · 11-12-2016, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I like Treliving and there's no doubt he's made a few mistakes but this coaching hire has put him in a bad situation as ownership won't be happy about firing two head coaches in a calendar year. I hope that ownership gives him one more coaching hire but it's possible Burke may have to take control of the team and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

I wonder how much confidence management would have in letting him hire another coach.

Gaskal · 11-12-2016, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

I wonder how much confidence management would have in letting him hire another coach.

As mentioned earlier, it may not necessarily result in Treliving's firing, but it would mean he has reduced autonomy - AKA, Burke/owners breathing down his neck this time around.

He'd be given one more chance to get it right, being a newer GM that's still done great things for this team. The mistakes he does make tend to blow up catastrophically and cost entire seasons.

killer_carlson · 11-13-2016, 09:29 AM

There are little options you have to hold a GM accountable for poor decisions.

The Hartley move smacked of treliving putting his stamp on th team. It's failed miserably.

So what do you do with Treliving? Reduced autonomy? Instruct him to terminate the coaches and he doesn't get to pick the next one?

Have him fire the pp and pk coach?

Or do you cut him loose?

flamesforcup · 11-13-2016, 09:31 AM

first step is fire the special teams coach. If he is a good gm he wont get involved in politics and bite the bullet and do the right thing.

Aarongavey · 11-13-2016, 09:45 AM

When was the last time Burke was involved in building anything remotely successful in the sport of hockey? His Leaf years were a tire fire, he tread water in Anaheim (he did not make them any worse and grabbed Pronger for a song). The management structure in Calgary is problematic.

CliffFletcher · 11-13-2016, 09:48 AM

And don't forget Burke's role with the U.S. World Cup team...

The guy is entertaining, and seems to have credibility in the league. But he hasn't exactly shown he has a great mind for the game today.

Flash Walken · 11-13-2016, 10:47 AM

I checked out on this management team when they re-signed Giordano.

burn_this_city · 11-13-2016, 10:56 AM

Feels like Brad has made a lot of great decisions but there is always one or two a year that haunt the team from the start. Goaltending trio last year, unexpected firing of Hartley to bring in a neophyte to coach this year.

Was anyone in the wide world expecting GG to be hired after they axed Hartley? I thought we would get a grizzled veteran to round this team out.

Also hate the way we have a revolving door of serviceable depth defenseman. Feel like Treliving outsmarts himself at times trying to make negligible improvements but actually taking steps backwards.

flamesforcup · 11-13-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I checked out on this management team when they re-signed Giordano.

Honestly the deal wasnt bad at the time. We were supposed to be contending. its the monahan and hamilton deals that really had me questioning this management.

Flash Walken · 11-13-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Honestly the deal wasnt bad at the time. We were supposed to be contending. its the monahan and hamilton deals that really had me questioning this management.

Dumb.

Who thought the Flames would be contending?

Dumb.

flamesforcup · 11-13-2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Dumb.

Who thought the Flames would be contending?

Dumb.

Sorry i should have been clearer. Maybe not stanley cup contenders but certainly playoff contenders. Remember it was right after the playoff year and when we aquired hamilton. Hopes were high

jayswin · 11-13-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Feels like Brad has made a lot of great decisions but there is always one or two a year that haunt the team from the start. Goaltending trio last year, unexpected firing of Hartley to bring in a neophyte to coach this year.

Was anyone in the wide world expecting GG to be hired after they axed Hartley? I thought we would get a grizzled veteran to round this team out.

Also hate the way we have a revolving door of serviceable depth defenseman. Feel like Treliving outsmarts himself at times trying to make negligible improvements but actually taking steps backwards.

Yeah, Glen would have been a better decision a few years ago so a new group could have grown with him and then if it wasn't working out you go with the experience at this point in the rebuild.

We kind of did the opposite - Went with the coach who could get the most out of his players and maximize a roster but with a small shelf life, then once that ran out we then went to a young inexperienced coach to start growing the team again when we should have been starting to push for playoffs.

Which unfortunately was a product of that playoff run. That run may end up being a curse in the long run as it helped maximized contracts for our young stars and made the team, media and fans feel like the team was further ahead in development.

Matty81 · 11-13-2016, 11:08 AM

First time gm, seems to be a smart guy but was bound to make some mistakes like any of us would in a new job. So now you either endure a few more and benefit from his training period and he carries those lessons forward or cut him loose and have suffered through training a new leaderfor nothing. I guarantee we won't see a 3 goalie system again for example.

If he starts making the same mistakes twice thats when he deserves heat... Not a first time mistake.

burn_this_city · 11-13-2016, 11:09 AM

I didn't have a good feeling when they fired Hartley. Felt like a mistake the instant I knew he was gone. Also couldn't believe they fired the reigning Jack Adams winner before the award was handed out again. I accepted the decision solely on the premise we would get a seasoned closer to push the team over the top. When GG was hired it was a complete headscratcher.

killer_carlson · 11-13-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I didn't have a good feeling when they fired Hartley. Felt like a mistake the instant I knew he was gone. Also couldn't believe they fired the reigning Jack Adams winner before the award was handed out again. I accepted the decision solely on the premise we would get a seasoned closer to push the team over the top. When GG was hired it was a complete headscratcher.

It sure reeked of an Oiler-esque "We're smarter than you are" move

Frank MetaMusil · 11-13-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I didn't have a good feeling when they fired Hartley. Felt like a mistake the instant I knew he was gone. Also couldn't believe they fired the reigning Jack Adams winner before the award was handed out again. I accepted the decision solely on the premise we would get a seasoned closer to push the team over the top. When GG was hired it was a complete headscratcher.

It felt like when they fired Keenan. A year left on his contract and the coach fell on the sword for the teams failings.

Calgary has a history of firing coaches who run high octane offensive hockey, going all the way back to Terry Crisp.

I do wonder what the combined salary is for the head coaches the Flames are paying.

Strange Brew · 11-13-2016, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

It sure reeked of an Oiler-esque "We're smarter than you are" move

That's my issue. "We see something in this guy that no one else does". This team does not have to have the leadership or mental toughness to handle a teaching or nice guy coach. Makes me nervous about how well management understands what they have.

DazzlinDino · 11-13-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I hope Treliving feels some pressure. Every executive should.

Yes continuity is important, but not at the expense of having the wrong guy in place. Otherwise, why didn't we keep Feaster around?

I like BT but he does seem to get a lot of praise for talking about how hard he works. Is he more thorough than other GM's? I really have no clue. His "thoroughness" in hiring a new coach ended up with the Flames being the last team to fill the head coaching position this summer, which I don't believe is really a good thing.

Most of his trades have been auctions of pending UFA's at the deadline. I will be interested to see if he is able to pull off a trade that involves moving a meaningful roster player. He has not been able to shed any of the team's bad contracts.

Not to mention the JG negotiations dragging out until past the 11th hour. They should have mandated an earlier 11th hour put the team first and worked from there. A long drawn out process is not always going to be the right answer. I think we should have focused on a coach with a winning record even one with a short shelf life if nothing but to get the players to learn what it takes to win.

JiriHrdina · 11-13-2016, 12:38 PM

What could have BT done differently to accelerate the Johnny contract. The leverage and pressure occurred exactly when it logically would have.
The only thing he could have done would have been to give into the players' demands.

Frank MetaMusil · 11-13-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What could have BT done differently to accelerate the Johnny contract. The leverage and pressure occurred exactly when it logically would have.
The only thing he could have done would have been to give into the players' demands.

Don't lowball a top 10 scorer out of the gates? Don't sign fa wingers to 4.5/year if they aren't top line players?