[Trade] David Jones to Wild for G Niklas Backstrom and a 2016 6th round pick - Page 14 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Poe969 · 03-01-2016, 11:25 AM

I hope to god we don't re-sign Backstrom! The guy is 38. If we go after a vet, I'd prefer someone who wasn't so old. This team should target a young goalie to grow with the the team, not someone who's ready to pack it in.

sureLoss · 03-01-2016, 11:28 AM

They have been targeting younger goaltenders. Murray, Jones, Talbot, etc. have all been linked to the Flames in the last year.

If they can't get a young goaltender they need a veteran stop gap measure until Gillies is ready or a younger goaltender becomes available. Maybe Backstrom is that stop gap.

saillias · 03-01-2016, 11:30 AM

Backstrom is nothing more than a throw-in in to make salaries work with Minnesota. People talking about re-signing are utterly nuts.

Street Pharmacist · 03-01-2016, 11:32 AM

I don't think they're going to use Backstrom are they? He's 38 and seriously declining year over year if you look at his numbers. He's not a stop gap, he's a goalie for a tank

MrMastodonFarm · 03-01-2016, 11:33 AM

Really doubt Backstrom was anything more than a salary take for the Flames. He's 38, hasn't played in over a calendar year and put up bad numbers the previous two seasons.

sureLoss · 03-01-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think they're going to use Backstrom are they?

per Millions Flames management is going to play Backstrom a lot in the remaining games wanting to see how he does

btimbit · 03-01-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think they're going to use Backstrom are they? He's 38 and seriously declining year over year if you look at his numbers. He's not a stop gap, he's a goalie for a tank

I heard on Sportsnet they promised him he'd get to play, to convince him to waive his ntc. But re-signing him? I'd be absolutely amazed. Unless he plays lights out, which he wont.

I bet we see him a few times and that's that. In a year we won't even remember he was even here

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-01-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think they're going to use Backstrom are they? He's 38 and seriously declining year over year if you look at his numbers. He's not a stop gap, he's a goalie for a tank

Exactly, he's a goalie for a tank.

Start him all remaining games against BUF, ARI, CBJ, VAN, and WPG

Jason14h · 03-01-2016, 11:49 AM

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I heard on Sportsnet they promised him he'd get to play, to convince him to waive his ntc. But re-signing him? I'd be absolutely amazed. Unless he plays lights out, which he wont.

I think he would at best get a PTO offer to try and be the backup IF he showed something.

Not a terrible thing to have a backup with experience IF he can play a bit and IF he comes really cheap

Alberta_Beef · 03-01-2016, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Would you prefer to have Jones on the roster? They basically bought a 6th round pick. This is basically a nothing trade except the Flames get the chance to add someone for their protected list and see if they develop and are worth signing for 2 to 4 years.

please it's a 6th round pick, the odds are as good they won't even sign the pick as it will turn into a regular NHLer

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I do not understand this line of thinking at all.

They swapped contracts in order to get a free draft pick? What's not to like?

I don't understand this line of thinking. Minnesota got the player, they gave up the camp dump and we got a lousy 6th? Oh boy, what a ####ing haul!

devo22 · 03-01-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't understand this line of thinking. Minnesota got the player, they gave up the camp dump and we got a lousy 6th? Oh boy, what a ####ing haul!

no they didn't. Jones makes more than Backstrom.

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-01-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

please it's a 6th round pick, the odds are as good they won't even sign the pick as it will turn into a regular NHLer

Would you rather have more lottery tickets or less? More right?

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't understand this line of thinking. Minnesota got the player, they gave up the camp dump and we got a lousy 6th? Oh boy, what a ####ing haul!

What's lousy about it? It's an asset. Before we knew what the trade was I speculated Jones for a late round pick, that was his value.

Sounds like this boils down to you not liking late round picks more than anything.

Why keep Jones? They decided they didn't want to re-sign him. It's better to give a chance to Hathaway, Agostino, Hamilton, Poirier, Shinkaruk, etc and see if any of them can develop and win a spot for next year.

We get an open roster spot to audition players and get another roll of the dice at a prospect. Doesn't matter if its a longshot, still a win-win trade isn't it?

PeteMoss · 03-01-2016, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

per Millions Flames management is going to play Backstrom a lot in the remaining games wanting to see how he does

This may be true, but Millions is about as accurate as random number generator in terms of knowing what's going on with the team.

getbak · 03-01-2016, 12:01 PM

Of all the goalies in the NHL who have played more than one game this season, only Stalock and Tokarski have a worse save percentage than Hiller and Ortio. Ortio and Hiller are bottom of the league for GAA among goalies with more than one game played.

Backstrom really can't make the Flames goaltending any worse.

edslunch · 03-01-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I heard on Sportsnet they promised him he'd get to play, to convince him to waive his ntc. But re-signing him? I'd be absolutely amazed. Unless he plays lights out, which he wont.

I bet we see him a few times and that's that. In a year we won't even remember he was even here

Bringing in another terrible goalie and promising him starts? Always earned?

Alberta_Beef · 03-01-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

no they didn't. Jones makes more than Backstrom.

in salary this year they make the same though, which is what I meant, don't know what I said cap hit.

getbak · 03-01-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This may be true, but Millions is about as accurate as random number generator in terms of knowing what's going on with the team.

When it comes to information coming from the team itself, he's usually pretty accurate (and he should be since he travels with them all season long). It's when he starts speculating about trades and contract signings and things that his reliability goes out the door.

Alberta_Beef · 03-01-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Would you rather have more lottery tickets or less? More right?

What's lousy about it? It's an asset. Before we knew what the trade was I speculated Jones for a late round pick, that was his value.

Sounds like this boils down to you not liking late round picks more than anything.

Why keep Jones? They decided they didn't want to re-sign him. It's better to give a chance to Hathaway, Agostino, Hamilton, Poirier, Shinkaruk, etc and see if any of them can develop and win a spot for next year.

We get an open roster spot to audition players and get another roll of the dice at a prospect. Doesn't matter if its a longshot, still a win-win trade isn't it?

I don't waste my money on lottery tickets.

It's lousy because it's a ####ty return, if the Flames actually saved some money I wouldn't say a thing but to eat about a million of Backstrom's salary and give up the clearly better player for a 6th is a terrible trade. A bad trade is a bad trade.

heep223 · 03-01-2016, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't waste my money on lottery tickets.

It's lousy because it's a ####ty return, if the Flames actually saved some money I wouldn't say a thing but to eat about a million of Backstrom's salary and give up the clearly better player for a 6th is a terrible trade. A bad trade is a bad trade.

You are worried about the Flames cap situation this year? Lol

Jones for a 6th rounder. Sounds about right.

Jay Random · 03-01-2016, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Of all the goalies in the NHL who have played more than one game this season, only Stalock and Tokarski have a worse save percentage than Hiller and Ortio. Ortio and Hiller are bottom of the league for GAA among goalies with more than one game played.

Backstrom really can't make the Flames goaltending any worse.

Well, yes, he could. He could be as bad as Stalock and Tokarski.

But at this point, it makes little difference. The season is toast. It appears that Minnesota couldn't take on Jones' salary without a large contract going the other way, and Backstrom wouldn't waive his NTC unless he was assured that he would get some playing time. If Hartley wants to give him some starts instead of Hiller, it costs the Flames nothing at this point, and keeps the promise that got Backstrom to waive.

Hiller is a dead man walking in goalie gear. And Ortio? The heck with Joni Ortio. He has massively underachieved all season, in both the NHL and AHL (and, according to Hartley, in practice before he was demoted). If he can't do any better in a contract year with an opportunity to grab a wide-open starter's job, he doesn't belong in the NHL.