Merry Christmas and I'm thankful for all of you.

[pylon]

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[Senator Clay Davis]

^^He's not gonna be allowed to post his own response ever. Not sure why he's insistent on posting it himself, no matter who or how its posted it's not gonna go over well.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dobbles

was 6 and a half years ago so i think i am guilt free ;-)


i have been texting him and he said he still cant post to defend himself so i did offer to post whatever he wanted on his behalf but he declined.

He hasn't even tried to explain himself to you at all? Talk about awkward!

[pylon]

I honestly just want to hear the guy admit he conned us. I would actually respect him more for that, then him cowering like a twerp.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by dobbles

was 6 and a half years ago so i think i am guilt free ;-)


i have been texting him and he said he still cant post to defend himself so i did offer to post whatever he wanted on his behalf but he declined.

I don't suppose he offered you any hint of an explanation did he? Or at least maybe a denial of wrongdoing?

[pylon]

I vote the mods un-ban him then. So he has no obstacles to come clean.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by pylon

I shot him a message on Facebook at least asking him to come clean and fess up. However if you look at his FB page, it is clear this guy has been living anything but a rough, impoverished life.

Any examples? It's a quiet Wednesday night after all.

I'm particularly curious about this engagement. Where did the info that it happened in October this year come from? (That question isn't directed at you Pylon, though curious if his FB substantiates this - or his fiancees page if you can see it).

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I don't suppose he offered you any hint of an explanation did he? Or at least maybe a denial of wrongdoing?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

He hasn't even tried to explain himself to you at all? Talk about awkward!

he has defended himself to me. i don't necessarily want to post what we talked about, but as an example, he mentions the xbox picture you guys talked about and notes that he has had the xbox for 2 years so its not a new purchase and also mentions that the ring for his fiance is only a cheap ring from macys not an expensive diamond or anything.

and while in both cases, they aren't bulletproof explanations (i.e. he could have pawned xbox when times were tough) that would at least help minimize the gross negligence that many feel has occurred.



overall though, while i am happy to post his remarks on his behalf, i am not going to try and defend him based on what i know as a 3rd party. thats just a losing proposition for me!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dobbles

he has defended himself to me. i don't necessarily want to post what we talked about, but as an example, he mentions the xbox picture you guys talked about and notes that he has had the xbox for 2 years so its not a new purchase and also mentions that the ring for his fiance is only a cheap ring from macys not an expensive diamond or anything.

and while in both cases, they aren't bulletproof explanations (i.e. he could have pawned xbox when times were tough) that would at least help minimize the gross negligence that many feel has occurred.



overall though, while i am happy to post his remarks on his behalf, i am not going to try and defend him based on what i know as a 3rd party. thats just a losing proposition for me!

Yeah, sorry, still not buying it when he's copying and pasting his pitch..er..story on various websites and lying about his gofundme knowledge. Why not just be honest in the first place?

[JiriHrdina]

He can email the mods and we will post what he sends us word for word

[nik-]

My favourite part was his post on the other site having the shoutout to Thor the Icelandic Flames fan lol

[Dion]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I just looked at it a few minutes ago and it was there, now gone. Looks like he's doing some damage control, or trying.

Only a guilty person would go about deleting accounts.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by dobbles

he has defended himself to me. i don't necessarily want to post what we talked about, but as an example, he mentions the xbox picture you guys talked about and notes that he has had the xbox for 2 years so its not a new purchase and also mentions that the ring for his fiance is only a cheap ring from macys not an expensive diamond or anything.

and while in both cases, they aren't bulletproof explanations (i.e. he could have pawned xbox when times were tough) that would at least help minimize the gross negligence that many feel has occurred.



overall though, while i am happy to post his remarks on his behalf, i am not going to try and defend him based on what i know as a 3rd party. thats just a losing proposition for me!

Fair enough.

Like I said above, some explanations (like an old xbox) may well hold water, but my understanding was that he left his cheating girlfriend, not that he got engaged on the cheap. Those stories are clearly incompatible. Unless he proposed to this gal very shortly after they met.

But perhaps I misunderstood something.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Any examples? It's a quiet Wednesday night after all.

I'm particularly curious about this engagement. Where did the info that it happened in October this year come from? (That question isn't directed at you Pylon, though curious if his FB substantiates this - or his fiancees page if you can see it).

He's easy to find on social media. From there, it's just as easy to find his girlfriend.
She posted a pic of the ring (it's posted earlier in this thread)

And not to defend, but that ring doesn't look like it cost him a fortune. I believe the cheap Macy's story.

[pylon]

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[bigtmac19]

Still none of that is consistent with the sob story he sold us. All he had was his car and clothes. He's just a scumbag con artist.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pylon

One of the things REALLY bugging me is, why the hell didn't his GF help him out?

Earlier in the thread...

Originally Posted by PIMking

The one thing I did do was Ikea, now I did do my research and got stuff on sale there.

I don't have a gym membership anymore, $30/mo is just not in the cards right now, I didn't drink gatorade when I was working out and just drank good ole water.

I do some use coupons a lot and dont eat like a king, just the essentials. I'm not just wasting money, its tight and I'm saving slowly but its just a tough position until her visa stuff is done so she can help with bills.

The job I have is literally 6 min walk from home, I rarely drive the car unless it's raining.

The other big problem i ran into on Craigslist is hauling it to my place, no one wanted to deliver.

She isn't/can't work, and he's paying for everything?

Could be way off base here but this looks like a guy who caught a girl he's madly in love with but can't afford to support himself much less both of them. Off to the internet he goes, abusing all kinds of previous relationships to keep the lie afloat.

[Kjesse]

Fascinating thread.

I was going to send money but decided against it. For those of you that did, consider that your loss is a good lesson, made with good intentions-- you can stand tall on your intentions even though your good nature was taken advantage of.

Also consider that the big loser in this is his fiancee, who is about to marry a con-man. Or if she gets smart and bails, the loser becomes any subsequent fiancee. Its one thing to lose a couple hundred bucks, its quite another to become betrothed to someone fundamentally dishonest. His actions do not look like a fib-- they look like calculated efforts to pull money from strangers, by playing upon their own good nature.

There are many people in the world like Ian Demler. If you sent money don't worry about it, his punishment is that he is Ian Demler.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

He's easy to find on social media. From there, it's just as easy to find his girlfriend.
She posted a pic of the ring (it's posted earlier in this thread)

And not to defend, but that ring doesn't look like it cost him a fortune. I believe the cheap Macy's story.

I don't have much in the way of social media, and it seems I'd need an account to look at any of their stuff.

And I agree, the ring itself is proof of little as it could be cheap or handed down from a dead aunt or something. Same with photos of him enjoying some of life's finer things. It's the timing of these things and their consistency with his story that interests me.

[Hockeyguy15]

From my quick look around it really seems like his GF/fiancée does work? Unless I am seeing it wrong.