[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[Coach]

Don't want to trade Gio, despite his mediocre start.

What about trading both Russell and Wideman? It would sort of balance out the defense

Gio-Brodie
Hamilton-Hamonic
Engellend - Smid

The last pairing is not fantastic, but it's not terrible, and more of a prototypical 3rd pair. Don't know enough about Hamonic to say if the value is there. The Isles may need to add a mid pick or decent prospect to even it out, as both Wideman and Russell are good players.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Demetric

wow some serious over valuing of Hamonic and under valuing our players (and all other players for that matter)

Hamonic has one of the best caphits in the league for what he brings, you would struggle to find 10 better non-ELC contracts. If it wasn't for him requesting a trade, the Islanders would probably never move him.

Originally Posted by MattyC

What about trading both Russell and Wideman?
...
Don't know enough about Hamonic to say if the value is there. The Isles may need to add a mid pick or decent prospect to even it out, as both Wideman and Russell are good players.

It's no where close to what Hamonic should be fetching. He's arguably been the Islanders best defenseman for almost 3 years now and he's only 25. They don't need a second-pairing when they already have Boychuk, Leddy and de Haan, it would be a massive downgrade for them. They might be constrained given the trade request, but Hamonic should be fetching a lot more than that.

[Matty81]

Yeah flames fans are looking oiler like in this scenario, there is even a published article at the sun suggesting wideman for hamonic.

5 months of Russell or a year and a half of wideman is not going to get you a player who is young, locked up for a long time at a premium position (rd), has a very good cap hit and is widely considered to be a very good player.

Maybe they could be included if the isles take a quantity for quality deal, but why would they.

I really can't see the oilers getting him either without giving up one of their star forwards or nurse. Their blueline is so terrible. Yet they always seem to balk at paying the price when a good defender comes on the market. Just ridiculous team building going on there.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It is pretty funny reading some Oiler fans around social media:

"If Calgary gets Hamonic, I'm out"

Yeah, now they know how the rest of the league feels every year at the draft lottery.

[Samonadreau]

The only way i go for hamonic, without getting a complete bargain is to get Strome packaged in there. Its a long shot but it might have to be a package deal similar to what happenned with Evander Kane last year.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

The only way i go for hamonic, without getting a complete bargain is to get Strome packaged in there. Its a long shot but it might have to be a package deal similar to what happenned with Evander Kane last year.

We don't have the expendable trade assets to pick up a guy like Strome IMO. He would be the center piece of the trade and we would have to include a guy like Bennett or our first.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Don't want to trade Gio, despite his mediocre start.

What about trading both Russell and Wideman? It would sort of balance out the defense

Gio-Brodie
Hamilton-Hamonic
Engellend - Smid

The last pairing is not fantastic, but it's not terrible, and more of a prototypical 3rd pair. Don't know enough about Hamonic to say if the value is there. The Isles may need to add a mid pick or decent prospect to even it out, as both Wideman and Russell are good players.

Problem with that is, unless i'm mistaken, Hamilton and Hamonic both play the right side.
I know Brodie prefers the right side as well so you would have to have one of those 3 on the third pair.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

If they're so unreliable why are you writing in one??

Haha... reliability on a forum full of opinions? Post of the day! Terrible reason to try and justify your "research" on Hamilton.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Don't want to trade Gio, despite his mediocre start.

What about trading both Russell and Wideman? It would sort of balance out the defense

Gio-Brodie
Hamilton-Hamonic
Engellend - Smid

The last pairing is not fantastic, but it's not terrible, and more of a prototypical 3rd pair. Don't know enough about Hamonic to say if the value is there. The Isles may need to add a mid pick or decent prospect to even it out, as both Wideman and Russell are good players.

I doubt Smid is on the team next year. He'll either be traded, or more likely, bought out.

[Toonage]

Brodie-Hamilton
Giordano-Hamonic
Russell-Engelland

But more likely is Hamonic playing for the Jets.

[dissentowner]

I get that a shiny new toy is out there available but that does not mean we should pursue it. This team desperately needs a true top end RW for the future. If we are going to spend serious assets that should be the focus, we don't need Harmonic.

[Funkhouser]

It has been rumoured for years that the Isles like Backlund.

Package Backlund and Russell (allow the Isles to negotiate an extension with him beforehand) for Harmonic and a 4th.

Or if we are really lucky...
Backlund + Russell + one of Raymond/Smid + prospect like Wotherspoon
for Harmonic + 2nd

[codynw]

When thinking of what it would take to get Hamonic in a trade, ask yourself if you would trade Brodie for a similar package. If the answer is no, it's probably not enough to get Hamonic.

[GioforPM]

Backlund is one guy with value who I'd see as a good trade price for Hamonic. I think they'd want Russell too, or maybe Wideman with a salary retention. But I'd do that trade, put Bennett at centre and go Monahan, Bennett, Stajan, and one of Grant/Shore/Jooris/Granlund/Arnold down the middle.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

It has been rumoured for years that the Isles like Backlund.

Package Backlund and Russell (allow the Isles to negotiate an extension with him beforehand) for Harmonic and a 4th.

Or if we are really lucky...
Backlund + Russell + one of Raymond/Smid + prospect like Wotherspoon
for Harmonic + 2nd

No need for them to add a 4th there on the first deal. I highly doubt they want out garbage thrown is as well to upgrade to a 2nd in the latter deal.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

It has been rumoured for years that the Isles like Backlund.

Package Backlund and Russell (allow the Isles to negotiate an extension with him beforehand) for Harmonic and a 4th.

Or if we are really lucky...
Backlund + Russell + one of Raymond/Smid + prospect like Wotherspoon
for Harmonic + 2nd

OR... we just ask for all their good players, prospects and picks, they retain salary and they take our garbage. If we can't get Hamonic, I'm sure we could somehow swing our 2nd rounder for their 1st rounder.

Those deals aren't good and there is no way they would throw in a second to take back our garbage. If we want Hamonic, we have to give up some quality.

[adc]

The Islanders don't have space for Ryan Strome who scored 50 points last year as a 21 year old why would they want Backlund?

Let alone for their top defenseman.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

We don't have the expendable trade assets to pick up a guy like Strome IMO. He would be the center piece of the trade and we would have to include a guy like Bennett or our first.

We would have to include Bennett + for just Strome? Or to have him included with Hamonic?

Both Hamonic and Strome are good young players, but I really think we're undervaluing our own players a lot. Bennett could conceivably hit Strome's career high (from last season) of 50 pts, in his rookie year. It would be awesome to bring in a guy like Strome, but Bennett plus is pretty crazy to me.

I agree it would be tough to get Hamonic without including young assets that we don't have/want to trade, but I still think there is an undervaluing of Russell and Wideman. Again, don't know much about Hamonic, but looking at his stats and judging by what people say in here, he seems to be about on par with what Russell is, but 25 years old and more physical.

If you didn't have to take money into account, I would say that Russell (if they could sign him) AND Wideman should be able do it. Not only adequately replace Hamonic with Russell (who is only 3 years older), but they get an offensive punch from Wideman who was 4th in D scoring last season.

Contract status is definitely an issue, as Hamonic has a very friendly deal, but there's also no indication that he's going to be much more than what he is now (which is not a bad thing), and he's probably paid accordingly for what he is. Russell will probably net about the same, maybe a little more as a UFA, and Wideman will likely either stay about the same, or have a drop in price, depending on how he plays. If he has a great offensive year again, he's probably looking at about the same dough he is now. If he has a drop in production, his salary will drop accordingly, and hes still an OK dman.

But really, ask yourself about the players that surround Wideman from the defensive scoring list last season. Karlsson, Burns, Subban, Carlson, Josi. All younger (Burns and Letang are closer), but still. How many of those would you package with another top-4 dman for a strong, young defensive defensmen, who is about the same as the one you added, only a couple years younger, and call it a steal for you? if you were to see a team do that from the outside, would it look good?

Anyways TL;DR - Our players are better than people give them credit for, but I understand it's more about the VALUE they bring, which is different.

Originally Posted by codynw

I doubt Smid is on the team next year. He'll either be traded, or more likely, bought out.

I think it's safe to hope that at least one of Smid and/or Engellend are usurped by younger players next season.

Originally Posted by Muffins

Problem with that is, unless i'm mistaken, Hamilton and Hamonic both play the right side.
I know Brodie prefers the right side as well so you would have to have one of those 3 on the third pair.

It would be preferred, but no, they dont HAVE to. These are NHL hockey players. They can play their offside.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

The isles won't want Backlund, they are loaded at centre. They would want a natural winger, but one that would serve as an upgrade. Honestly, looking at the isles top 9, I think Backlund would struggle to stay on their 3rd line with his inconsistency. He would become thier Matt Stajan essentially.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Backlund isn't a bad piece, but yeah, it wouldn't get it done on its own. Add Jankowski? Kylington? I know they want NHLers, but it would be tough