Adidas wins long-term deal to make uniforms for the 30 NHL teams, beginning 2017-18

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think he's wrong though. I think if ads were here next season forever, if someone didn't buy a jersey they weren't going to buy one anyway. Any protesters of ads would likely cave eventually.

His approach is a little gruff, but he's likely right.

Not at all. Not right in the slightest. Couldn't be more wrong. I would never buy a jersey with an ad on it because I buy jersey for the look and not just because it has a Flaming C on it. If the jersey is ugly I won't buy it and never have in my decades of being a Flames fan.

So no he's not likely right. I'm sure there will be some who cave but calling BS on people who say they won't is arrogant and I'd punch them square in the nose if this wasn't the Internet but of course the Internet is a great place for a arrogant prick to talk smack with zero repercussions.

[nik-]

There would be exceptions, but most will just end up buying a jersey.

He's likely right. But hey man, make your stand.

Also, acting like a tough guy on the internet is embarrassing. You should probably grow up.

[SuperMatt18]

The irony at the end of that post is amazing.

[nik-]

It really is.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And thus, you're who Polak is talking to. You're much less believable than someone who doesn't really buy jerseys anyway.

Polak is a moron. He doesn't speak 'to' anyone, he just spews verbal diarrhea all over the forum.

It remains to be seen how 'resolute' you'll be should a very nice jersey come out with a small ad patch. The current third jersey isn't an awfully high standard to set...

People do things they said they'd never do 10 years ago all the time. Good luck

I own seven or eight Flames jerseys, some of which aren't the abysmally low quality Reebok jerseys. I'll be fine for well over a decade with what I have. People are free to make their own choices. Hopefully enough choose to let the NHL know that we do not wish to be billboards for Scotiabank.

[sun]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think he's wrong though. I think if ads were here next season forever, if someone didn't buy a jersey they weren't going to buy one anyway. Any protesters of ads would likely cave eventually.

His approach is a little gruff, but he's likely right.

Nope. Wrong. Period. Nothing else to it, man. It can't be any simpler. I put a higher value on aesthetics than I do on hockey. I will never "need" a new Flames jersey and I will never "want" to wear one with an ad on it. Therefore...

[nik-]

I guess we'll just have to see.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by sun

Nope. Wrong. Period. Nothing else to it, man. It can't be any simpler. I put a higher value on aesthetics than I do on hockey. I will never "need" a new Flames jersey and I will never "want" to wear one with an ad on it. Therefore...

You just wear a vintage one...

If you aren't buying new anyways, why weigh in on ads? Why do you care what they do if you haven't liked a jersey in 20 years anyways?

Again, I don't think the "people will still buy jerseys" are talking to the people who DON'T buy jerseys. No reason to defend yourselves.

[Barnet Flame]

It depends on the size, prominence and nature of the sponsor. If we are talking ads like on soccer shirts, I won't be buying any future jerseys.

As it happens, to a lesser degree, I follow a soccer team as well. I refuse to buy a jersey and because others thought it was a 'safe' gift for me, I've asked others not to get them for me either because I don't like them other than when I can't be bothered ironing a t-shirt.

I have a retro Arsenal shirt with just the Cannon crest and that suits me fine. If the NHL go down the same route, I'll stick with my current Flames jerseys.

[sun]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You just wear a vintage one...

If you aren't buying new anyways, why weigh in on ads? Why do you care what they do if you haven't liked a jersey in 20 years anyways?

Again, I don't think the "people will still buy jerseys" are talking to the people who DON'T buy jerseys. No reason to defend yourselves.

Why weigh in? Kinda the point of this forum. Take a peak at my initial post. I never said they will lose a valuable customer. Or even a potential one. Just saying I will never buy one. To be called a liar but someone like poolak, who has never met me and knows nothing about me says a lot about that person's worldview.

If they released beautiful retros like they should, I will buy one in white. If it has an ad, I won't. Just because I don't currently buy them doesn't mean I never ever will. It is 100% based on how ugly I find them or not.

The money they lose from people like resolute will certainly be offset by ad revenue anyways. I think it is inevitable and it will be a bummer day. Especially if there are ads on the replicas.

[PepsiFree]

Eh, even if there was a dip in sales based on the low amount of regular buyers who stopped buying, I think it's probably taken over pretty quickly by a younger generation of hockey fans that aren't traditionalists.

Lots of people have already been raised in ad culture. The future generations are only going to get more of it.

Will be interesting to see how it turns out!

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think he's wrong though. I think if ads were here next season forever, if someone didn't buy a jersey they weren't going to buy one anyway. Any protesters of ads would likely cave eventually.

His approach is a little gruff, but he's likely right.

So.... want to wager money on it? Don't know what other words to use, I'll never buy a jersey with ads. Ever, under any circumstance. Why is that so unbelievable?

You're entering the realm of telling people their own personal preferences aren't real... I'll burn a jersey with ads before I wear one. Is that clear enough? If the Flames start plastering ads on every square inch of Saddledome real estate I'll probably watch less Flames hockey altogether. Unabashed corporatism ruins the entire experience for me thus why it's wholly unrealistic to think I'd ever wear a jersey with ads. I'd rather not watch hockey, extreme, but it's the truth. If the league existed this long without ads on jerseys why is it so imperative now?

It drastically degrades product quality from my perspective and lessens the investment I'm willing to put into the team as it feels entirely like a cash grab when the emblematic visage of the team I'm there for in the first place is literally covered over in corporate greed.

[nik-]

How would a wager on that even work? On one of our death beds the other pops in and demands the money? What a ridiculous thing to want to put money on.

If you want to make some stand against ads, go ahead. Most won't, even the ones that say they will.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I'll put my hand up. I don't have one because I don't like how the Alberta flag stands out (a maple leaf and the crest I might have been okay with.) I'm content wearing my old style Regehr, Kipper, Yelle, Gio Dynamo Moscow jerseys or wearing a team Canada jersey until the new design where I hope the patches are gone. if they were the shoulder patches from the 3rd jersey I'd be content.

Same. I hated those jerseys when they came out and I hate them now. I had a white pedestal jersey that I wore to any game I went to. Last year I went to buy a red jersey because I was going to a playoff game for the first time so I bought the red retro because it actually looks nice. If the regular jerseys had been the only ones in stock I would have just worn a red shirt or something, no way in hell I'm shelling out $150+ for that rag.

There seems to be a fundamental schism between people who are selective with their merchandise and people who will buy every single jersey design the Flames put out, to each their own I guess. But I'll throw my hat in with people who will never, ever, ever buy a stupid soccer style jersey

[pylon]

Originally Posted by polak

lol look how defensive some of you get about this issue. Im simply calling bs. I think that most of you will give in. Stop taking it so personally.

LOL.

I can guarantee you with 100% certainty I will never wear anything to advertise Samsung, LG, or any other company sponsoring a team. They can pay me to wear it, then we might have a discussion, but it is insanity in my eyes that people actually do.

It's like a guy that puts a giant DC shoe decal, or Monster Energy decal on the back window of their car. Besides the fact it is gaudy and trashy as hell. There are some execs sitting in a marketing dept. somewhere slapping asses and high fiving that people are so frikking stupid to pay them 50 bucks for $3 worth of vinyl, and are getting a traveling billboard for the next 5 years out of the deal.

I will support the Flames, but in no way shape or form will I spill 200 plus dollars on a jersey advertising some electronics company. Even if it was the company I work for, I still wouldn't wear it out of principal.

[saillias]

Simple, buy the jersey and tear off the embroidered ads if they're so ugly. That's what I used to do with clothes from American Eagle.

[pylon]

I also don't want my post to come off as 'anti-corporate sponsor'. Obviously the teams need the sponsorships to pay the bills, but they are paying the teams for the board space, jumbotron time, co-op ads etc, etc.....

But once you get to the jersey, and now you are asking the fan to pay, to deliver the corporate message?? That's where the line is crossed in my eyes. It's the NHL's sandbox, and they can do as they please. And I would still watch and support the team. However, they would never get another jersey sale from me though. And I usually buy a couple every year.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by pylon

LOL.

I can guarantee you with 100% certainty I will never wear anything to advertise Samsung, LG, or any other company sponsoring a team. They can pay me to wear it, then we might have a discussion, but it is insanity in my eyes that people actually do.

It's like a guy that puts a giant DC shoe decal, or Monster Energy decal on the back window of their car. Besides the fact it is gaudy and trashy as hell. There are some execs sitting in a marketing dept. somewhere slapping asses and high fiving that people are so frikking stupid to pay them 50 bucks for $3 worth of vinyl, and are getting a traveling billboard for the next 5 years out of the deal.

I will support the Flames, but in no way shape or form will I spill 200 plus dollars on a jersey advertising some electronics company. Even if it was the company I work for, I still wouldn't wear it out of principal.

Do you have any shirts or gear that have logos on them?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Same. I hated those jerseys when they came out and I hate them now. I had a white pedestal jersey that I wore to any game I went to. Last year I went to buy a red jersey because I was going to a playoff game for the first time so I bought the red retro because it actually looks nice. If the regular jerseys had been the only ones in stock I would have just worn a red shirt or something, no way in hell I'm shelling out $150+ for that rag.

There seems to be a fundamental schism between people who are selective with their merchandise and people who will buy every single jersey design the Flames put out, to each their own I guess. But I'll throw my hat in with people who will never, ever, ever buy a stupid soccer style jersey

Couple of points

1. Why is this discussion only euro style jerseys or nothing? We all know it isn't going to be that so why keep bringing it up? Nba is the best comparison. With their giant corporate sellout 2.5" x 2.5" patches.

2. Why is it people who are mindless idiots who buy everything and sophisticated selective geniuses are the only two options?

Let's be honest for most people some little patch about half the size of the provincial flag on the front or back of the jersey is likely to make little or no difference. Especially since it likely will not be on consumer products, just the official team jerseys, so unless you are buying game worn jerseys it won't matter.

3. Why don't the current reebok, nhl, etc ads not bother you? If you have a flames hat it probably has a Nike or reebok or new era etc logo on it. Those are ok but not Samsung? Why?

I keep seeing all these soccer, euro hockey and F1 comparisons. Fact is none of them are remotely accurate comparisons.

[DiracSpike]

Cecil, people can spend their money on whatever they want. I spend money on things I'm sure a lot of people would find dumb, I think spending money on things plastered with ads are dumb. Not saying those people are dumb.

As others have mentioned, the reebok/nike ad is tolerable because they're actually making the article of clothing. And its microscopic. I don't mind those "ads" the same way I dont mind the Honda H logo on the front of my Accord. You're right when you say what will probably happen is not a full-on soccer effect, but the discussion is in regards to ads on replica jerseys in any form which is where I and others have stated we won't buy anything that has an ad on it.