CBC reporter files complaint with RCMP over unwanted kiss

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Agreed. There are certainly a lot of people that aren't empathizing with the intent of the kid that was just having a little fun and what it must feel like at 17 years old (!) to be accused (and found guilty, by many) of sexually assaulting a middle-aged woman when you did nothing of the sort.

I never attacked the kid, explicitly said he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He is guilty of harassing someone, most people have done it at some point, that being said the white male suffering in such a scenario is vastly outweighed by the experiences of females.

Most men have no idea what it's like for women, none whatsoever so I'll stick up for the women by default having first hand experience what their experience is like. No one is even villifying this kid, atleast not that I've seen. We all know it was a peck on the cheek and he didn't intend to maliciously harm her, that's not the point. The point is women are treated like #### in society and they are harassed all the time, any opportunity to bring that to the light is important. A lot of men will say she asked for it, what a drama queen, exaggerating, being overly emotional and making mountains out of molehills exactly like this situation. You want to empathize with the white male fine, but I guarantee you the mental distress women feel on a daily basis is exponentially worse.

I'm certain a lot of you males showing no care for the victim would change your tune after a few months being harassed and having no way to stop it.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I never attacked the kid, explicitly said he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He is guilty of harassing someone, most people have done it at some point, that being said the white male suffering in such a scenario is vastly outweighed by the experiences of females.

Most men have no idea what it's like for women, none whatsoever so I'll stick up for the women by default having first hand experience what their experience is like. No one is even villifying this kid, atleast not that I've seen. We all know it was a peck on the cheek and he didn't intend to maliciously harm her, that's not the point. The point is women are treated like #### in society and they are harassed all the time, any opportunity to bring that to the light is important. A lot of men will say she asked for it, what a drama queen, exaggerating, being overly emotional and making mountains out of molehills exactly like this situation. You want to empathize with the white male fine, but I guarantee you the mental distress women feel on a daily basis is exponentially worse.

What? You were a woman, once? You mean over-emoted second-hand experience, right?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I never attacked the kid, explicitly said he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He is guilty of harassing someone, most people have done it at some point, that being said the white male suffering in such a scenario is vastly outweighed by the experiences of females.

Most men have no idea what it's like for women, none whatsoever so I'll stick up for the women by default having first hand experience what their experience is like. No one is even villifying this kid, atleast not that I've seen. We all know it was a peck on the cheek and he didn't intend to maliciously harm her, that's not the point. The point is women are treated like #### in society and they are harassed all the time, any opportunity to bring that to the light is important. A lot of men will say she asked for it, what a drama queen, exaggerating, being overly emotional and making mountains out of molehills exactly like this situation. You want to empathize with the white male fine, but I guarantee you the mental distress women feel on a daily basis is exponentially worse.

I'm certain a lot of you males showing no care for the victim would change your tune after a few months being harassed and having no way to stop it.

What are you talking about? I'm capable of empathizing with both. It's not an either/or. You've never done anything that seemed like no big deal to you at the time, but you ended up hurting somebody, or they misinterpreted your intent, or you just misjudged how what you were doing would be perceived? Of course you have, and I bet you did it more when you were a kid versus how often you do it as an adult. I feel bad this kid's misstep is out there for all of us do judge so harshly. That doesn't mean I don't feel bad the reporter was startled.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I don't agree. I think there are sexual kisses, which could lead to this being fairly labeled a sexual assault. This wasn't a sexual kiss. It was a peck on the cheek.

Sliver is advised that something is arguably sexual assault.

Sliver disagrees and makes an argument for why it isn't sexual assault.

Do you not see the problem here?

[OMG!WTF!]

Here's an example of context. This pervy old guy might have just been having fun, being friendly, playing a joke too...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...rges-1.3168977

Ottawa police have laid six new sexual assault-related charges against a 65-year-old man who allegedly tried to kiss several women and girls — without their consent — in the city's Barrhaven area. Three weeks ago, police said a man approached three women near the Longfields transit station and briefly spoke with them before either trying to kiss or successfully kissing them, police said.

Obviously this is more sinister than the handsome, innocent, kid just having fun at the music festival. But the similarities are there as well.

The prosecution doesn't have to prove anything in regard to the suspect's state of mind during the crime. That is, it doesn't matter if the kid had nothing but innocent intentions and the old pervy dude was fraught with pervy intentions. It's the act itself that is considered objectively. So when you say, subject A (cute innocent 17 year old) tied to kiss someone without consent, it's the same as subject B (pervy old dude) trying to kiss someone without consent. I assume the reason here is so that what has been reflected in this thread doesn't get forced on women though the legal system....like some judge saying "don't worry about it, honey he was just having some fun." I would also assume that sentencing might reflect the subjective differences.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Here's an example of context. This pervy old guy might have just been having fun, being friendly, playing a joke too...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...rges-1.3168977

Obviously this is more sinister than the handsome, innocent, kid just having fun at the music festival. But the similarities are there as well.

The prosecution doesn't have to prove anything in regard to the suspect's state of mind during the crime. That is, it doesn't matter if the kid had nothing but innocent intentions and the old pervy dude was fraught with pervy intentions. It's the act itself that is considered objectively. So when you say, subject A (cute innocent 17 year old) tied to kiss someone without consent, it's the same as subject B (pervy old dude) trying to kiss someone without consent. I assume the reason here is so that what has been reflected in this thread doesn't get forced on women though the legal system....like some judge saying "don't worry about it, honey he was just having some fun." I would also assume that sentencing might reflect the subjective differences.

This wasn't a kiss on the cheek though...

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

This wasn't a kiss on the cheek though...

It wasn't even a kiss in some cases..."tried to kiss" as well as "successfully kissed". The location of the kiss is totally irrelevant as is the intention.

[Resolute 14]

I think the takeaway from this thread is that Polak legitimately believes women should be flattered when guys sexually harass them.

[Huntingwhale]

[polak]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I think the takeaway from this thread is that Polak legitimately believes women should be flattered when guys sexually harass them.

wtf. That is 100% made up.

Where did you get that?

All I argued was that reporters shouldn't be surprised that drunk people harass them at a festival.

[Boxman]

Our society is increasingly dominated by lawyers. Police and courts are a bad way of dealing with problems and should be treated as a last resort.

Our society is increasingly dominated by the influence on mainstream media, social media and an enlarged court of public opinion. Going to the media as a way of dealing with problems is also a bad way of solving problems, and should be treated as a last resort.

Often most problems are best resolved privately. The justice system exists for when this is not possible. The media circus is a circus and seldom brings understanding and knowledge around real issues.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Our society is increasingly dominated by lawyers. Police and courts are a bad way of dealing with problems and should be treated as a last resort.

Our society is increasingly dominated by the influence on mainstream media, social media and an enlarged court of public opinion. Going to the media as a way of dealing with problems is also a bad way of solving problems, and should be treated as a last resort.

Often most problems are best resolved privately. The justice system exists for when this is not possible. The media circus is a circus and seldom brings understanding and knowledge around real issues.

The event in question happened on a TV broadcast. It was seen by plenty of people. It was in the media because it happened to a media member during a live broadcast. Dealing with it privately doesn't convince dumb drunk bros to not harass (usually female) reporters on TV.

[PaperBagger'14]

A very large part of me believes this was a complete attention grab by CBC. If they really felt that a "sexual assault" such as this was a threat to their reporters safety, there should have been several control measures put in place well before. It's nothing new for anyone to think that people act like delta bravos in front of a camera, so why wasn't there any administrative controls (such as mandating there to be a security guard for the reporter while in public) in place for such an incident. Yes the kid was stupid, but safety protocols should be put in place to mitigate the strugglers.

[Flamette]

Whatever the reporter's motivation, I'm glad she filed the complaint. I think learning that imposing yourself (sexually or not) on a stranger has consequences is a good life lesson for a 17 year old to learn.

I'm not necessarily projecting it onto this particular guy, but there are definitely 'bad apples' out there that escalate because they keep pushing boundaries and getting away with it.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by polak

wtf. That is 100% made up.

Where did you get that?

All I argued was that reporters shouldn't be surprised that drunk people harass them at a festival.

Just like the guy shouldn't be surprised a media person put them in the media I suppose...

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

A very large part of me believes this was a complete attention grab by CBC. If they really felt that a "sexual assault" such as this was a threat to their reporters safety, there should have been several control measures put in place well before. It's nothing new for anyone to think that people act like delta bravos in front of a camera, so why wasn't there any administrative controls (such as mandating there to be a security guard for the reporter while in public) in place for such an incident. Yes the kid was stupid, but safety protocols should be put in place to mitigate the strugglers.

You're putting the fault on the wrong party. Instead of saying that it's wrong to sneak up on a reporter, you're saying it's wrong not to have a security guard there because sneaking up on a reporter would be normal.

It's like in soccer in South America. The players have to come out in an temporary inflatable tunnel to avoid getting bombarded by objects. Just the mere fact that such a tunnel exists is a failure.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You're putting the fault on the wrong party. Instead of saying that it's wrong to sneak up on a reporter, you're saying it's wrong not to have a security guard there because sneaking up on a reporter would be normal.

It's like in soccer in South America. The players have to come out in an temporary inflatable tunnel to avoid getting bombarded by objects. Just the mere fact that such a tunnel exists is a failure.

There's 2 parties at fault here, and I believe the kid learned his lesson. However the CBC should also be revamping it's safety policies to try and prevent this. Safety isn't telling people they're wrong (in this case they are), but rather keeping a safe place for employees to work.

[LChoy]

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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

There's 2 parties at fault here, and I believe the kid learned his lesson. However the CBC should also be revamping it's safety policies to try and prevent this. Safety isn't telling people they're wrong (in this case they are), but rather keeping a safe place for employees to work.

I doubt this is practical. Reporters are out in public all the time, and are routinely the target of heckling and jeering. News organizations are already struggling financially. They can't afford to hire security guards to accompany every reporter doing a streeter or at a live event.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I doubt this is practical. Reporters are out in public all the time, and are routinely the target of heckling and jeering. News organizations are already struggling financially. They can't afford to hire security guards to accompany every reporter doing a streeter or at a live event.

What news organizations are struggling so bad?