[Rumour] Friedman: Flames aggressive in trade market. Getting calls on Hudler.

[Jacks]

Just going off of memory but I recall the reason that Nichushkin fell in the draft is that he told teams he would leave for the KHL rather than play in the AHL.

Granted the KHL is a bit of a mess right now so this may have changed but that kind of goes against the whole "always earned" thing. he's actually played a few AHL games, not sure if that was a conditioning stint or not.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Just going off of memory but I recall the reason that Nichushkin fell in the draft is that he told teams he would leave for the KHL rather than play in the AHL.

Granted the KHL is a bit of a mess right now so this may have changed but that kind of goes against the whole "always earned" thing. he's actually played a few AHL games, not sure if that was a conditioning stint or not.

I don't think it's so much as "leave for the KHL" as "If I must play in a development league I would prefer to be in my own country." Making the big show is one thing but it's understandable to not want to leave home to play in a secondary league.

[dammage79]

It was also a contractual obligation to his KHL team that if he did not make the NHL he was required to return home until he could make the NHL.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Well if that's what you believe then without sounding too dickish id suggest you don't understand the value of draft picks/prospects to teams.

A lot of teams would pay millions to move up from the second to first round or from a decent prospect to a blue chipper.

Flames were apparently prepared to 'buy' Carolina's first round draft pick for 6+M (the cost to buy out Ward). Carolina just wouldn't sell it for that.

So yeah

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

http://www.csnwashington.com/hockey-...er-uncertainty

"Talking with the media on Friday at the Capitals’ annual breakup day, Green said he’d like to re-sign with the Caps as an unrestricted free agent but wondered if they will be able to afford to keep him as a third-pair defenseman who likely will command more than $6 million a year.

With long-term commitments to defensemen Matt Niskanen [6 more years, $5.75 million cap hit], Brooks Orpik [4 years, $5.5 million], John Carlson [3 years, $3.966 million] and Karl Alzner [2 years, $2.8 million], the Capitals are more likely to take Green’s current $6.083 million and put it toward resigning restricted free agents Braden Holtby, Evgeny Kuznetsov and Marcus Johansson."

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/crai...r/post?id=5755

'The Capitals likely won’t be able to re-sign Mike Green. They should look at trading his rights for a draft pick.'

Just look anywhere, every Mike Green article is on how he most likely will not be back as they don't have the cash to do it with their upcoming RFA's.

This may have been already mentioned and I know Mike is from Calgary, but he is building a house on the Glenmore Reservoir at this moment...

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I don't think his skating and fitness are good enough to be a great NHL player. Of course that could change. He dominates junior because of his size and decent skill set, but I'm not convinced it will translate as well to the pro leagues.

How he does in the AHL next year will tell us if he's more than just a good junior player. I don't think trading Hudler for him would be a good deal in the short or long term.

Ritchie's fitness is surprisingly good. He just has a chubby face.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If we're trading Hudler, I would much prefer him to be sent to the East.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by handgroen

maybe better off with the scatter approach. saad himself was a 2nd rounder after all, and we have 3 in this supposedly deep draft.
that said, a seabrooke, or a hamilton, would push this team over the top IMO. i think i'de be alright with seeing the flames spend picks to 'add for the now' so long as it improves the d-core in a younger age bracket. this team is closer than we give them credit for.
i have faith in brodie-gio, who spent half the season as the best tandem in the league, but another top 2 d-man would make us legitimately competitive.

Brodie and Gio were together as the clear cut Flames #1 d-pairing for 60 games.... They were arguably the best in the league.... certainly in the top-5.

Gio gets hurt and Wideman-Russell take over as the Flames #1 d-pairing.

in the last 19 games with the playoffs on the line (march and April) and in doubt Wideman averaging 27 minutes and Russell 25... Wideman 19 pts in 19 games +11 and Russell 14 pts in the last 19 games +8.... they were in the top-5 d pairing for the NHL for last 20 games if not the best.

To push either one of these guys back to #5 and less than 20 minutes / game goes against the nothing given everything earned.

If somehow the pre-injury Gio was ready at the start of the Ducks series the Flames would not have been near as big of an underdog as they were (legitimately competitive?)

The Flames do need some depth at defense but another top 2 is liable to upset the apple cart. example: Flames adding Bouwmeester and pushing out Sarich and Regher. Blues adding Bouwmeester and pushing out Russell and Polak.

A really strong young #5/6 pushing for and able to play in the top 4 is the top priority.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

To push either one of these guys back to #5 and less than 20 minutes / game goes against the nothing given everything earned.

This is just terrible. It's the exact opposite of what you mean to say. You're essentially saying that Wideman and Russell are a lock for the 4-5 dmen and no one can take their spots (even if it's a young top 2 defenseman on most teams). Isn't guaranteeing those 2 their spots going against the nothing given, everything earned mantra?

If Seabrook wants to be in the city where his wife is giving birth to their kids and asks to be traded to the Flames, would you honestly put him as the 5-6 defenseman???

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Its tempting to use our picks for trades but I think the smart thing to do in our situation is to hand over to the scouts and let them fight amongst themselves, debate, and finally make every pick count.

I trust this management, for the first time ever, to do the right thing.

Only trade Hudler for overpayment. Use all of our picks in the first 3 rounds at the draft. Trade up and down but dont bring in a player to help us right away via trade if theres someone on the board the scouts are dying to pick(which there almost always is).

Imagine all of the teams who could have had Weber or Suter because they were high on them but didnt have a high enough pick to grab them. We have tons of high picks, keep them all and take the guys we like.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

This may have been already mentioned and I know Mike is from Calgary, but he is building a house on the Glenmore Reservoir at this moment...

I haven't heard that. He lives just out of town and was just married last summer. The boys I grew up playing with were in his wedding party.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This is just terrible. It's the exact opposite of what you mean to say. You're essentially saying that Wideman and Russell are a lock for the 4-5 dmen and no one can take their spots (even if it's a young top 2 defenseman on most teams). Isn't guaranteeing those 2 their spots going against the nothing given, everything earned mantra?

If Seabrook wants to be in the city where his wife is giving birth to their kids and asks to be traded to the Flames, would you honestly put him as the 5-6 defenseman???

You are correct in the fact that you are making a terrible post.


You are saying that Russell and Wideman have not earned a top-4 spot on the team? Do you follow hockey at all???


If they have not earned a spot in the top-4 on the 2015-16 roster then we are back to the start of the re-build.


If Seabrook were to want a trade to Calgary then the Hawks would want Gio back... so there would be room for Seabrook on the Flames top 4, even though he has done nothing in Calgary to earn it by your standards.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You are correct in the fact that you are making a terrible post.


You are saying that Russell and Wideman have not earned a top-4 spot on the team? Do you follow hockey at all???


If they have not earned a spot in the top-4 on the 2015-16 roster then we are back to the start of the re-build.


If Seabrook were to want a trade to Calgary then the Hawks would want Gio back... so there would be room for Seabrook on the Flames top 4, even though he has done nothing in Calgary to earn it by your standards.

What are you talking about? Of course Russell and Wideman earned their top 4 spots last year. Who knows where they may shake out, depending on the 15-16 roster. Flames should strive to get better. If keeping the top 4 from last year and adding Seabrook is possible, they will be better. Which player is 1 to 5 really doesn't matter much. With your logic, the Flames can only get better by picking up another 5-6 Defenseman that is better than our current 5-6. Insane.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You are correct in the fact that you are making a terrible post.

Really? This is the same as "I know you are but what am I"

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

This may have been already mentioned and I know Mike is from Calgary, but he is building a house on the Glenmore Reservoir at this moment...

I have heard from someone that knows Greens family he does not want to play for the Flames but that is an orange Julius level of info

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Thick Nick? Hell to the no.

Really? The kid is gonna be a dominant power forward in this league. I would bow down and worship Brad if he could pull that deal off.

[Badgers Nose]

Buy all teh Gios and Seabrooks and Widemans and Russells and let god (Hartley) sort them out.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Buy all teh Gios and Seabrooks and Widemans and Russells and let god (Hartley) sort them out.

we just are recovering from the last time we did that.... How could anyone see that adding Bouwmeester to an already solid defense would turn a 5 year in a row playoff team into a 5 year in a row no playoff team.

[Biyaaaah]

I don't like the idea of trading hudler. He is such a great player and an important leader on the team. At the same time if we are going to get bigger he is the most likely small guy to go. Having a big fast skilled winger to paly with monny and johnny would make a lot of sense. It would really help the possession #'s for that line and make them way more affective paying down low. Our 1st line has to better at cycleing the puck and wearing teams out down low. While they were effective vs weaker teams they were not able to do much vs teams like Anaheim, St Louis, Tampa, and the rangers.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How could anyone see that adding Bouwmeester to an already solid defense would turn a 5 year in a row playoff team into a 5 year in a row no playoff team.

Pretty easily actually. Even at the time there were plenty of folk who expressed concern that the amount of the cap that was allocated to defense was leaving the forward core depleted of needed talent... I mean just think about this: David Moss = #1 Center.